oct 2 report to members

to stewart kissel
"How are your anonymous dribbles contributing to a solution?
They raise issues for discussion among reasonable people who are interested in the issues.
"Stewart Kissel" wrote in message ...
Clipped from the nameless wonder....

I am a simple member and have been to many years. one
of the faceless many who feel abused and ignored by
the high profile 'big names' who ran this organization
for their personal aggrandizement and ultimately into
the ground.

Perhaps you should google on SLAPP SUIT for a reasonable
explanation of the desire to remain faceless.


I did just that.....
SLAPP suit

A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, in
which a corporation or developer sues an organization
in an attempt to scare it into dropping protests against
a corporate initiative. SLAPP suits typically involve
the environment--for example, local residents who are
petitioning to change zoning laws to prevent a real
estate development might be sued in a SLAPP suit for
interference with the developer's business interests.
Many states have 'anti-SLAPP suit' statutes that protect
citizens' rights to free speech and to petition the
government.

So some guys in suits and dark glasses are going to
come knocking at your door if you come up with the
courage to use your name to your rants? I am sure
the 'big names' are searching for your IP address as
we speak

How are your anonymous dribbles contributing to a solution?

Stewart

My point exactly. This individual may have some very valid points, and I
agree with some of them. He has absolutely no means to get his points heard
or considered by blogging them out here without courage to allow someone to
respond. All of the anonomous "leaks" he refers to in his earlier post are
indeed true, but those people have a whole lot to lose, and nothing to gain
in the long run. The amount of money and\or power abuse that happens in
national government needs many more leaks. This situation does not even hold
a candle to his examples. I also think that the critical point he makes
about "insiders" is just bull****. I will quit responding to anything he
says, because he insults people that he has not a clue about, and does not
have the guts to tell them who he is so they can personally addess his
concerns. I know many of them, and they would be happy to address his
concerns as well. Enough said. Now stear this discussion back to what
matters, REAL SOLUTIONS, and not more baseless accusations and innuendo!!!
Be a part of the solution, not the problem!!! And Stewart.....that was not
aimed at you!

As I always do
SIGNED......Brian Glick
Mifflin, PA


"Stewart Kissel" wrote in
message ...
Clipped from the nameless wonder....

I am a simple member and have been to many years. one
of the faceless many who feel abused and ignored by
the high profile 'big names' who ran this organization
for their personal aggrandizement and ultimately into
the ground.

Perhaps you should google on SLAPP SUIT for a reasonable
explanation of the desire to remain faceless.


I did just that.....
SLAPP suit

A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, in
which a corporation or developer sues an organization
in an attempt to scare it into dropping protests against
a corporate initiative. SLAPP suits typically involve
the environment--for example, local residents who are
petitioning to change zoning laws to prevent a real
estate development might be sued in a SLAPP suit for
interference with the developer's business interests.
Many states have 'anti-SLAPP suit' statutes that protect
citizens' rights to free speech and to petition the
government.

So some guys in suits and dark glasses are going to
come knocking at your door if you come up with the
courage to use your name to your rants? I am sure
the 'big names' are searching for your IP address as
we speak

How are your anonymous dribbles contributing to a solution?

This enduring topic on the recent problems with the SSA has reminded me
of the short but insightful book "The Dog Poop Initiative" by Kirk
Weisler. In the book, Mr. Weisler describes different types of people:

Poopers - those that leave behind messes for others to deal with.
Pointers - those that spend all their time calling attention to the
mess but do nothing to clean it up.
Scoopers - those that just pitch in and get the mess cleaned up.

While the anonymous 5-BG could still prove me wrong, his/her posts have
given me cause to categorize 5-BG as a Pointer. Because of this, I am
one one those that just ignore the posts based on author alone. Too
bad, because that is probably the opposite of what 5-BG wants.

Horst
L33

wrote:
This enduring topic on the recent problems with the SSA has reminded me
of the short but insightful book "The Dog Poop Initiative" by Kirk
Weisler. In the book, Mr. Weisler describes different types of people:

Poopers - those that leave behind messes for others to deal with.
Pointers - those that spend all their time calling attention to the
mess but do nothing to clean it up.
Scoopers - those that just pitch in and get the mess cleaned up.

While the anonymous 5-BG could still prove me wrong, his/her posts have
given me cause to categorize 5-BG as a Pointer. Because of this, I am
one one those that just ignore the posts based on author alone. Too
bad, because that is probably the opposite of what 5-BG wants.

Maybe he's Lennie!
But that accusation is that fate of every saa troll.


Shawn

Lennie was not even this bad!!!!

Brian

"Shawn" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
This enduring topic on the recent problems with the SSA has reminded me
of the short but insightful book "The Dog Poop Initiative" by Kirk
Weisler. In the book, Mr. Weisler describes different types of people:

Poopers - those that leave behind messes for others to deal with.
Pointers - those that spend all their time calling attention to the
mess but do nothing to clean it up.
Scoopers - those that just pitch in and get the mess cleaned up.

While the anonymous 5-BG could still prove me wrong, his/her posts have
given me cause to categorize 5-BG as a Pointer. Because of this, I am
one one those that just ignore the posts based on author alone. Too
bad, because that is probably the opposite of what 5-BG wants.

Maybe he's Lennie!
But that accusation is that fate of every saa troll.


Shawn

Lone Beagle wrote:
Did it ever occur to any of you that the soaring community
is
responsible for the declining membership in the SSA
and the declining numbers of soaring pilots?

My anwser: No. And what would be the basis for such
an argument?

Heck, it's the 'soaring community' that is bringing
in more to the sport. The only way people around here
find out about soaring is through word of mouth, webpage
searches, and the rare newspaper article. All of the
above are directly attributed to members of our 'soaring
community.' We talk to our non-flying friends, we
talk to our coworkers, and heck, we might even talk
to strangers who ask 'what's that in the trailer.'
We create our own webpages. And, we might even contact
our local newspaper and they come out, take a flight,
and write a story.

Here's one article:
http://www.mydailyrecord.com/main.as...leID=81012&Sec
tionID=1&SubSectionID=&S=1

Here's another:

http://www.mydailyrecord.com/main.as...leID=81011&Sec
tionID=1&SubSectionID=&S=1


Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

Hey Ray,

Been hearing the news about that chemical fire down your way. Hope you
and yours are all ok!

Brad


Ray Lovinggood wrote:
Lone Beagle wrote:
Did it ever occur to any of you that the soaring community
is
responsible for the declining membership in the SSA
and the declining numbers of soaring pilots?

My anwser: No. And what would be the basis for such
an argument?

Heck, it's the 'soaring community' that is bringing
in more to the sport. The only way people around here
find out about soaring is through word of mouth, webpage
searches, and the rare newspaper article. All of the
above are directly attributed to members of our 'soaring
community.' We talk to our non-flying friends, we
talk to our coworkers, and heck, we might even talk
to strangers who ask 'what's that in the trailer.'
We create our own webpages. And, we might even contact
our local newspaper and they come out, take a flight,
and write a story.

Here's one article:
http://www.mydailyrecord.com/main.as...leID=81012&Sec
tionID=1&SubSectionID=&S=1

Here's another:

http://www.mydailyrecord.com/main.as...leID=81011&Sec
tionID=1&SubSectionID=&S=1


Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA