North Korea's Air Force and The Bomb

Jay Honeck wrote:
The best thing about President H. Clinton
is that only a Democrat will get any cooperation from the rest of the
world.


I haven't checked lately, but I think Hillary skews more negative with
most voters than even Bush did at his lowest point.

Hilary has no chance. Zip, zero, nada.

They might have a large combat force, but no way then can stand up to
our air and ground capability. We would be in a much more favorable
position to respond, with force if necessary, had we not degraded our
resources and credibility in Iraq. Now we have to sit and watch real
WMD's being developed and not able to do anything about it. But I am
sure our fearless leader will come with an equally brilliant plan to
solve this problem.


Jay Honeck wrote:
Since I'm tired of reading questions about the development of
anti-matter-powered Beechcraft ejection seats, I thought I'd toss this
topic onto the newsgroup's platter: North Korea.

In pondering why we (the US -- and the World) haven't responded more
forcefully to the North Korean nuclear tests, which seem to confirm our
greatest fears, I found the following tid-bits of information:

- That tiny country (smaller than the state of Mississippi) has an air
force comprised of 1,620 combat aircraft, and 274 helicopters!
- They've got over 8,800 anti-aircraft guns
- They're fielding a 1,000,000-man military force, with a population of
just 23 million
- They have just 36 paved-runway airports
- Their GDP is just $40 billion per year -- far less than Bill Gates is
worth, personally.
- Some of their planes are stationed just 6 minutes' flight from Seoul

Their pilot training is apparently abyssmal, thanks to fuel and spare
parts shortages. (One estimate shows that their pilots are flying just
7 hours per YEAR.) However, they have fielded an incredible fighting
force, at the expense of virtually all else. They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid -- yet they persist in developing incredibly
expensive weapons systems, like missiles and atomic bombs.

In short, these folks are truly, really scary. I honestly didn't think
much of them, until recently, but I now fully understand their "axis of
evil" designation -- and why we're hesitating to react.

Here are some decent sources of more information:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...k/airforce.htm
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/kn.html

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:05:51 -0700, Andrew Sarangan wrote:

They might have a large combat force, but no way then can stand up to our
air and ground capability.

I don't believe it is that simple. They've some incredibly large number
of artillery pieces pointed at S. Korea. That is how N. Korea would
respond to any attack, which is why S. Korea has been wasting so much time
trying to deal.

Effectively, they're hostages.

Similarly, as someone else here pointed out, China is more afraid of
refugees from N. Korea than anything else. At least at the moment,
they've no reason to fear being the target of Kim Jong-il weapons.

[Though personally, I'd worry about where he might point them in the
future were I in China's place.]

- Andrew

The solution to North Korea is China. North Korea is China's
Frankenstein monster.

When China decides that the monster has gotten too far out of hand, and
is a threat to China, North Korea will be squashed like a bug. The
Chinese could roll through North Korea in less than a week, even if
North Korea put up a fight.

The only other solution is if North Korea collapses like East Germany
did, but with China providing aid, that won't happen until China cuts
them off.

Dean

This is true. China is the key that will either unlock the door on the North
Korean question or keep it sealed tightly shut. It's China that controls the
North Korean economy (what little there is of it )
Dudley Henriques

wrote in message
oups.com...
The solution to North Korea is China. North Korea is China's
Frankenstein monster.

When China decides that the monster has gotten too far out of hand, and
is a threat to China, North Korea will be squashed like a bug. The
Chinese could roll through North Korea in less than a week, even if
North Korea put up a fight.

The only other solution is if North Korea collapses like East Germany
did, but with China providing aid, that won't happen until China cuts
them off.

Dean

So the best thing we can do there is to continue to prop up China's
economy by importing damned near everything we use in this country and
export our best jobs to China. Then China can have the chops and
responsibility to deal with NK and we're starting to look like Ireland
mid-1970s. No jobs but plenty of bars!

Grrrr.

Someone said we don't have a dog in this fight. Not sure I entirely
agree with that. We could sure train a dog though. Is it time to take
the shackles off of Japan as a balancing point in the region?

KC

wrote:
The solution to North Korea is China. North Korea is China's
Frankenstein monster.

When China decides that the monster has gotten too far out of hand, and
is a threat to China, North Korea will be squashed like a bug. The
Chinese could roll through North Korea in less than a week, even if
North Korea put up a fight.

The only other solution is if North Korea collapses like East Germany
did, but with China providing aid, that won't happen until China cuts
them off.

Dean

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
Since I'm tired of reading questions about the development of
anti-matter-powered Beechcraft ejection seats, I thought I'd toss this
topic onto the newsgroup's platter: North Korea.

In pondering why we (the US -- and the World) haven't responded more
forcefully to the North Korean nuclear tests, which seem to confirm our
greatest fears, I found the following tid-bits of information:

- That tiny country (smaller than the state of Mississippi) has an air
force comprised of 1,620 combat aircraft, and 274 helicopters!
- They've got over 8,800 anti-aircraft guns
- They're fielding a 1,000,000-man military force, with a population of
just 23 million
- They have just 36 paved-runway airports
- Their GDP is just $40 billion per year -- far less than Bill Gates is
worth, personally.
- Some of their planes are stationed just 6 minutes' flight from Seoul

Their pilot training is apparently abyssmal, thanks to fuel and spare
parts shortages. (One estimate shows that their pilots are flying just
7 hours per YEAR.) However, they have fielded an incredible fighting
force, at the expense of virtually all else. They have suffered 11
straight years of food shortages, and are able to feed themselves only
because of outside aid -- yet they persist in developing incredibly
expensive weapons systems, like missiles and atomic bombs.

In short, these folks are truly, really scary. I honestly didn't think
much of them, until recently, but I now fully understand their "axis of
evil" designation -- and why we're hesitating to react.

Here are some decent sources of more information:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...k/airforce.htm
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/kn.html

So what should we do? Nothing? That seems to be the United Nation's
current "strategy"...but I don't see much hope in that approach.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I will not believe anything the news media and government tells me about how
bad another country is untill I see it for myself. The U.S. government said
Beirut Lebanon is a bad place and that the "Muslims" all want to kill all
Americans hahahahaha...B.S. Well I walked the streets of Beirut at night for
a few hours alone, myself a non Muslim on a Muslim holiday and nothing but
friendly people even the guys with the machine guns have proper muzzle
control and are friendlier than our police here in the states!!

I suggest that one look and think for themselves and make their own thoughts
and dismiss all the media/government hype! Yes, the government controls the
so called free and independent press and are resorting the "Religious" type
tactics to try and use Fear to control the citizens and rest of the world!

I think It is to late to do anything to North Korea with out massive
American Causalities we are already getting our asses whipped on other
foreign lands wich I belive we do not belong! We should have taken care of
North Korea in the 1950's but we settled for B.S. talks that never work.

We are more vulnerable now than ever before!!! They (the rest of the world)
knows this and I belive will exploit it in the near future...

Jay, the United Nation's "strategy" if you can call it a strategy is the
same as in the 1950's "Talk's" and any smart person will just tell them what
they want to hear and they are to dumb to realize this! It's all smoke and
mirrors and where there is smoke there is fire!

But what do I know!!! I just keep my eyes open look, I wonder and I think
for Myself. Just imagine if we were a civilized society we would not be
making up new rules/laws we would be removing ruels/laws!!!!

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:56:58 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:

I will not believe anything the news media and government tells me about how
bad another country is untill I see it for myself. The U.S. government said
Beirut Lebanon is a bad place and that the "Muslims" all want to kill all
Americans hahahahaha...

You must have been hallucinating. Nobody in the government said anything
of the sort. In fact your President has gone out of his way to praise
Islam as a peaceful religion, which it most certainly is not.


But what do I know!!! I just keep my eyes open look, I wonder and I think
for Myself.

You also make **** up.




randall g =%^) PPASEL+Night 1974 Cardinal RG
http://www.telemark.net/randallg
Lots of aerial photographs of British Columbia at:
http://www.telemark.net/randallg/photos.htm
Vancouver's famous Kat Kam: http://www.katkam.ca

"randall g" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:56:58 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:

I will not believe anything the news media and government tells me about
how
bad another country is untill I see it for myself. The U.S. government
said
Beirut Lebanon is a bad place and that the "Muslims" all want to kill all
Americans hahahahaha...

You must have been hallucinating. Nobody in the government said anything
of the sort. In fact your President has gone out of his way to praise
Islam as a peaceful religion, which it most certainly is not.


But what do I know!!! I just keep my eyes open look, I wonder and I think
for Myself.

You also make **** up.




randall g =%^) PPASEL+Night 1974 Cardinal RG
http://www.telemark.net/randallg
Lots of aerial photographs of British Columbia at:
http://www.telemark.net/randallg/photos.htm
Vancouver's famous Kat Kam: http://www.katkam.ca

Take a look at they changed the travel Warning sine I was there in
September.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_1764.html

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:29:10 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:


"randall g" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:56:58 -0700, "NW_Pilot"
wrote:

I will not believe anything the news media and government tells me about
how
bad another country is untill I see it for myself. The U.S. government
said
Beirut Lebanon is a bad place and that the "Muslims" all want to kill all
Americans hahahahaha...

You must have been hallucinating. Nobody in the government said anything
of the sort. In fact your President has gone out of his way to praise
Islam as a peaceful religion, which it most certainly is not.


But what do I know!!! I just keep my eyes open look, I wonder and I think
for Myself.

You also make **** up.

Take a look at they changed the travel Warning sine I was there in
September.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_1764.html


Hmm. The CIA beaurocracy points out some fairly obvious potential
dangers and precautions that American travellers should be aware of, and
they would be remiss in their duty not to do so. Where specifically do
you disagree? I don't think they are making a value judgement that
Beruit is a "bad place" or that "Muslims want to kill all Americans"
which are the words you used. As a pilot I think you should be able to
use such information to manage your risk in an appropriate fashion.

Also, like I said, there have been no public statements by higher
officials (such as the President or Secretary of State) that use the
language you ascribed to the government.

No big deal. You have a fairly large dose of paranoia. Everbody in the
universe has that to some extent.




randall g =%^) PPASEL+Night 1974 Cardinal RG
http://www.telemark.net/randallg
Lots of aerial photographs of British Columbia at:
http://www.telemark.net/randallg/photos.htm
Vancouver's famous Kat Kam: http://www.katkam.ca