Using free online approach plates

On 10/31/06 09:25, pgbnh wrote:
I would vote for 91.13, 91.175, and common sense. You would probably not
want to fly on a commercial flight where the guys up front are using
approach plates that are known to be expired. Why expect that YOUR
passengers would want to do otherwise?

Actually, we weren't talking about what my passengers expect. We were
talking about your claim that the FAA requires part 91 pilots to carry
charts for destination they have not considered going to.

That's just silly.



"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 10/30/06 09:02, pgbnh wrote:
Printing copies of the anticipated approach plates makes a lot of sense -
usually larger, easier to read, fit better on the clipboard, etc etc.

Okay...

However, carrying old plates for the unanticipated diversion does NOT
meet
the requirements of the FAR's and would, I suspect, be cause for the FAA
to
bust you and/or the insurance company to disallow a claim in case of an
incident/accident.

Are you saying that the FAA requires that a part 91 pilot carry current
approach plates for airports to which he didn't anticipate he might be
diverted?

Which FAR is that?

"mvgossman" wrote in message
oups.com...
Anyone in the habit of going online for instrument approach plates
(terminal procedures), printing out only the plates you need for a trip
along with possible alternates and taking them in the plane?

This concept makes me uneasy, but perhaps it would be reasonable to
have the regular FAA plates, allowing them to expire but retain them
for, say, a year, bring them along, and print out absolutely current
plates for the destination and likely alternates. This way, you could
have "old but a heckuva lot better than nothing" plates for very
unlikely scenarios in the bag. This would help save much money via not
getting 99% duplicate plates every 56 days yet provide satisfactory
safety.

In case anyone does not know, very nice high quality plates are
available free at:

http://www.aeroplanner.com/flightpla...oachplates.cfm

This has the additional advantage of being able to print out larger
copies for those with imperfect reading vision and on higher quality
white paper.

Mitch






--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA





--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"pgbnh" wrote in message
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You would probably not want to fly on a commercial flight where the guys
up front are using approach plates that are known to be expired. Why
expect that YOUR passengers would want to do otherwise?

For the same reason that your passengers would settle for your having a
private pilot license rather than an ATP. We expect more rigorous safety
standards from commercial operations, in part because the higher volume of
passengers makes rigorous precautions more cost-effective. (We're only
discussing bringing expired plates--rather than no plates--for places you
have no intention or likelihood of landing.)

--Gary

pgbnh wrote:
I would vote for 91.13, 91.175, and common sense. You would probably not
want to fly on a commercial flight where the guys up front are using
approach plates that are known to be expired. Why expect that YOUR
passengers would want to do otherwise?

This is a pointless discussion. If the flight was completed without
incident, then no one cares whether you had expired charts, or no
charts at all. If you caused an incident, then it doesn't matter that
you had brand new charts with you during the incident. You will be
busted anyway, unless you can prove that the incident was due to a
misprint in the new charts, which is a very unlikely event. These tales
about FAA inspectors ticketing pilots because he saw expired charts
through the cockpit window are just tales.