Gentle take-offs at high speed

Ron Wanttaja writes:

If the sim doesn't give the opportunity for a "gentle" takeoff at lower speeds,
there's something wrong with the modeling.

I'm sure it does; I'm probably just doing something wrong. I'm better
than I used to be.

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Friction. Think to yourself, which is going to be less draggy..

a) speeding along the ground, tyres creating friction with the ground
b) speeding along in ground effect, tyres not creating friction with
the ground

get off the ground, accellerate in ground effect to desired climb
speed, climb away and enjoy. Especially when the surface is less than
perfect.

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Friction. Think to yourself, which is going to be less draggy..

a) speeding along the ground, tyres creating friction with the ground
b) speeding along in ground effect, tyres not creating friction with
the ground

get off the ground, accellerate in ground effect to desired climb
speed, climb away and enjoy. Especially when the surface is less than
perfect.

Staying in ground effect has been really tough for me thus far. Once
I'm in the air, the aircraft really wants to climb very badly, it
seems. If I try to hold it low enough to stay in ground effect, I
risk accidentally plowing it back down into the runway. However, I'll
try to practice this more.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Staying in ground effect has been really tough for me thus far. Once
I'm in the air, the aircraft really wants to climb very badly, it
seems. If I try to hold it low enough to stay in ground effect, I
risk accidentally plowing it back down into the runway. However, I'll
try to practice this more.


Enjoy wasting your time. MSFS doesn't know ground effect. It
doesn't know the height of the wings above the ground. Couldn't
feel it anyway, nor see any screen indication it's happening.

F--

TxSrv writes:

Enjoy wasting your time. MSFS doesn't know ground effect.

Recent versions do simulate ground effect, as I recall. I'm not sure
of the details. I know that the aircraft I fly will hover for an
unusually long time just above the ground, which sounds an awful lot
like ground effect.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Recent versions do simulate ground effect, as I recall. I'm not sure
of the details. I know that the aircraft I fly will hover for an
unusually long time just above the ground, which sounds an awful lot
like ground effect.

Airplanes don't hover, and "I recall" isn't proof of anything.
If ground effect is modeled, you can prove with flight testing
and reporting back the numbers. How would you know you're in
ground effect in MSFS? Why would the programmers waste valuable
CPU time doing something 99% of simmers don't understand?

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Hover? What kind of wind? What kind of craft? Alien?

mike

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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I know that the aircraft I fly will hover for an
unusually long time just above the ground, which sounds an awful lot
like ground effect.

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Staying in ground effect has been really tough for me thus far. Once
I'm in the air, the aircraft really wants to climb very badly, it
seems. If I try to hold it low enough to stay in ground effect, I
risk accidentally plowing it back down into the runway. However, I'll
try to practice this more.


that's because the take off trim setting is for a climb at power

A good technique to stay in ground effect in the Baron that I fly is to push
forward on the yoke as you accelerate to between 100-120 K, and then retract
the gear. This guarantees that you will remain in ground effect.

A brisk pull back on the yoke will then establish a climb attitude.


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Friction. Think to yourself, which is going to be less draggy..

a) speeding along the ground, tyres creating friction with the ground
b) speeding along in ground effect, tyres not creating friction with
the ground

get off the ground, accellerate in ground effect to desired climb
speed, climb away and enjoy. Especially when the surface is less than
perfect.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:44:56 GMT, in rec.aviation.student, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

A good technique to stay in ground effect in the Baron that I fly is to push
forward on the yoke as you accelerate to between 100-120 K, and then retract
the gear. This guarantees that you will remain in ground effect.

Until the engine quits, anyway.

My gut tells me that I should't retract my gear until I have enough altitude
that, in the event of engine failure, there's enough time to extend the gear
again before landing. But I'm not a pilot yet, and I could be wrong.

-Scott