Air taxi vs. Charter or Part 135

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Ron Natalie wrote:


I must not have gotten the memo. What I do remember about the period was while
the controllers could be sarcastic and surly shortly before the strike, they
sure became friendly and cooperative afterwards.



It was surly or sarcastic...it was unable to accept people into
certain terminal airspace.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Peter Dohm wrote:
I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and what I remember most
was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and abrasive suddenly
vanished and that all of the controllers who were friendly and helpfull were
still present.



Reagan broke the controller union's back.... he fired the strikers and never
rehired them. They're gone. Frankly, I don't miss them. The replacements were
much better.



PATCO screwed the controllers by lying about the strike vote.
As with most labor battles, there's plenty of fault to be found
on both sides.

Don't get me started on Eastern.

Actually, terminal control was mostly unaffected, you
couldn't get a clearance from center. You needed a
reservation to file a flight plan and no pop-ups were
allowed. However, TRACON did accept pop-ups and you could
get short range IFR departures to VFR on top and then cancel
and go VFR over the top.

Flew many pilot service trip Wichita to Brownsville with
stops at OKC, FTW, Waco, etc, with no delays. Taxied the
Bonanza around many airplanes sitting and waiting for their
slot to open up. You just had to know how to work within
the system.

On the other hand, one of the replacement controllers had
not fully learned the job, I was IFR on a charter in a Baron
going into Forbes at Topeka and approach was being handled
by center. I was given the weather as "600 overcast,
visibility 1 mile, expect the visual to..." to which I
replied, "If is really 600 and 1, can I have the ILS?"

It had been Kansas sever clear for weeks and he just said
what he'd been saying every day on the job.


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| Ron Natalie wrote:
|
|
| I must not have gotten the memo. What I do remember
about the period was while
| the controllers could be sarcastic and surly shortly
before the strike, they
| sure became friendly and cooperative afterwards.
|
|
|
| It was surly or sarcastic...it was unable to accept people
into
| certain terminal airspace.

Reagan gave the controllers several options to go back to
work, PATCO really did screw their members.



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| Peter Dohm wrote:
| I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and
what I remember most
| was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and
abrasive suddenly
| vanished and that all of the controllers who were
friendly and helpfull were
| still present.
|
|
|
| Reagan broke the controller union's back.... he fired
the strikers and never
| rehired them. They're gone. Frankly, I don't miss
them. The replacements were
| much better.
|
|
|
| PATCO screwed the controllers by lying about the strike
vote.
| As with most labor battles, there's plenty of fault to be
found
| on both sides.
|
| Don't get me started on Eastern.

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...
Peter Dohm wrote:
I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and what I remember
most
was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and abrasive suddenly
vanished and that all of the controllers who were friendly and helpfull
were
still present.



Reagan broke the controller union's back.... he fired the strikers and
never rehired them. They're gone. Frankly, I don't miss them. The
replacements were much better.

Place I was working at in the early 80's had one of the fired controllers
working as a Robert Half temp clerk. He was all about bragging how he was
going to be re-hired due to some legal loophole. Well, guess what!?

He didn't last at our place, either; he was making some snide comments about
some manager that walked funny. Turns out, that manager had half his leg
blown off in Vietnam, and the comments got back to his boss. GONE in five
minutes.

If it weren't for bad luck, he'd have no luck at all....

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Peter Dohm wrote:
I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and what I remember
most
was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and abrasive suddenly
vanished and that all of the controllers who were friendly and helpfull
were
still present.



Reagan broke the controller union's back.... he fired the strikers and
never rehired them. They're gone. Frankly, I don't miss them. The
replacements were much better.



PATCO screwed the controllers by lying about the strike vote.
As with most labor battles, there's plenty of fault to be found
on both sides.

Don't get me started on Eastern.

Tell us, Ron...tell us about Eastern!!!

I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and what I remember
most
was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and abrasive
suddenly
vanished and that all of the controllers who were friendly and helpfull
were
still present.



Reagan broke the controller union's back.... he fired the strikers and
never
rehired them. They're gone. Frankly, I don't miss them. The
replacements were
much better.



PATCO screwed the controllers by lying about the strike vote.
As with most labor battles, there's plenty of fault to be found
on both sides.

Don't get me started on Eastern.

I don't remember hearing about the vote, although I certainly suspected it.
The rest, regrettably, is much too true.

Peter

Taxied the
Bonanza around many airplanes sitting and waiting for their
slot to open up. You just had to know how to work within
the system.

So how did you "work within the system" to get that?

Jose
--
"There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows
what they are." - (mike).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

They were all trying to go on their reservation with an IFR
all the way, take-off to landing. I was part 91 doing pilot
service for the owner, who liked to vacation at Padre
Island. They were also pilots.
I departed ICT IFR to VFR and flew above and along the edge
of the lower deck of clouds to FTW. Nearing Regional
Approach, got an IFR into FTW. Departed FTW IFR and did the
same. Brownsville was and southern Texas were clear.
Picked up the owners and the whole route was clear for the
return.

That was the system post-strike. If you had to be IFR, the
first few weeks the Tango exception for 135 was not in
place. Scheduled operators were excepted. Part 91 had to
make a reservation, for the slot in the hour block. Miss
the block and you had to wait until after 2100 local time.
Until 135 got the Tango exception, that often meant you
couldn't come back until the next day because of duty time
limitations.

As a side benefit, we could tell our passengers to tell us
what time they wanted to come home and that they'd better be
on time or have to wait until the next day, if we could get
a reservation. Even after the Tango exception, it was nice
to have passengers that didn't show up 5 hours late.



"Jose" wrote in message
t...
| Taxied the
| Bonanza around many airplanes sitting and waiting for
their
| slot to open up. You just had to know how to work
within
| the system.
|
| So how did you "work within the system" to get that?
|
| Jose
| --
| "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing.
Unfortunately, nobody knows
| what they are." - (mike).
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Peter Dohm wrote:

I was flying as a student pilot during that period, and what I remember most
was that all of the controllers who were inpatient and abrasive suddenly
vanished and that all of the controllers who were friendly and helpfull were
still present.




Reagan broke the controller union's back


They broke their own back. Stupid idiots thought they could strike and
not get fired. Reagan gave them two days to return, two more than he
had to. Some came back, most didn't.