EMBRY-RIDDLE wants airplanes

"Jose" wrote in message
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Paperowrk sucks. We all hate it but the government pretty much runs on
it. WHat do you think we should do to secure our borders and try and
reduce the posibility of another 9/11? A bigger nail in the coffin would
be US tranined foriegn pilot slamming into another building.

I don't think the training the terrorists received in the US was all that
enabling, considering how much info is on the web, and considering how
MSFS can teach a lot about crashing into buildings.


You've been reading Mx to much.


I can see the new campaign slogan: "Paperwork - keeps the terrorists
away"



How, other than paperwork, are you planning to run checks on those who want
to learn to fly in the US.

And before I'm asked I will state for the record that I'd have no problem
with every foreign national requesting entry into the US to have to complete
the same paperwork.

I don't think the training the terrorists received in the US was all that
enabling, considering how much info is on the web, and considering how
MSFS can teach a lot about crashing into buildings.
You've been reading Mx to much.

I don't think so. Geez... all those guys had to do was steer.

How, other than paperwork, are you planning to run checks on those who want
to learn to fly in the US.

Listening to the CFIs when they report something odd to the government.

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Jim Macklin wrote:
Talk about pressure, Mom in the back seat.

Crimeny . . . that is serious pressure . . . that may be worse than
Ernest Gann's story of his captain lighting matches under his nose
during an otherwise straight-forward instrument approach . . .
apparently to emphasize that you need to be able to do this stuff . . .
even under pressure.

Blue skies . . . and maybe less pressure on all of us.

Martin Hotze wrote:
It is not only that you require some paperwork or a visa (I can follow
that logic to a certain degree). It is mostly the *way* you do it. He
had to do it (job). He wouldn't have done it if it was only for pleasure.
My point is: you are just hammering another nail into the coffin of GA
(and you are also turning away much money).

For me, the flustrating part was that there was no easy way to get
the finger printing done. When I tried:
- The local US consulate wouldn't do it, because they are State Dept
and not TSA.
- The local US airport (Buffalo NY) wouldn't do it, because they only
did finger printing for TSA employees, not outsiders.
- The NY State Police knew nothing about it and didn't want to know.

Since then, I've heard that you can get it done at the Rochester NY
airport, but that's an extra 90min drive (going right past Buffalo's
airport).

At the time, I was going to do this so I could do a few hours of dual
in a Stearman (I had been there the previous year), so I said "screw
it"
and Van Sant lost the business, through no fault of their own. (Since
then, the rule has been ammended to only apply to licenses and
ratings, so I could do the training now, without the finger printing.
All they need to do now for non-license/rating training is take a copy
of my passport, which seems reasonable.)

In summary, if it was well organized, it wouldn't be a big hassle, rick
ps: btw, the flying school at the local airport is booming, mostly
with full time students from India. Did they come here to avoid
the TSA hassle?

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Martin Hotze wrote:

Gig 601XL Builder schrieb:
(...)

As you said: it actually _is_ possible, but at what cost?

Well, we did have a bunch of non-US citizens train to fly in the us and
then
highjack planes and use them to kill 3000+ people. So of all the rules and
laws that have come down the pike since 9/11 this one probably the most
logical.

So you harass all (!) foreign pilots that freely (!) spend thousands of
$$ only because of a handfull of idiots. (besides there are also
restrictions for US pilots [as you know], or can you fly in DC?).

Martin, politicians and bureaucrats are the same all over the world.
When something happens, they have to react. When they react, they
usually over react.
The politicians have to spread money to those who contribute to their
elections. They manipulate the media to further their cause.
The unfortunate part is, of the 30% of the population that actually
votes, less than half can actually determine that the politicians and
bureaucrats are feathering their own beds and are powerless to change
the situation.

B A R R Y wrote:



The Indian kid had to cough up an extra document or two, and he wasn't
allowed to tour the local TRACON.

He can't just show up like you and me. He needs to call ahead.
Wouldn't even take a week to get him in there.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Well, we did have a bunch of non-US citizens train to fly in the us and then
highjack planes and use them to kill 3000+ people. So of all the rules and
laws that have come down the pike since 9/11 this one probably the most
logical.

They could have trained outside the U.S., so it doesn't really change
anything. And it's not very hard to aim an aircraft at a building.

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Buck Murdock writes:

When I can get a flying job in the EU as easily as a European can get a
flying job in the US, I'll have slightly more sympathy for the training
hassles.

Most GA pilots are not looking for flying jobs.

What, exactly, are the differences between getting a flying job in the
EU and getting one in the US?

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Morgans writes:

Suck it up. I'm sick and tired of hearing foreigners bitch about the US.
Stay the hell away if you don't like it. I like it just fine without you
here bitching, anyway.

Then you won't mind the upcoming application of these same
restrictions to U.S. citizens.

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B A R R Y writes:

The Indian kid had to cough up an extra document or two, and he wasn't
allowed to tour the local TRACON.

Other than that, he pays the same hourly rental and training rate as
any American.

The black man wasn't allowed to eat at the same table as the white
people, but he got the same food and service as any white person
would.

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