A plug for my home town.

Don Tuite wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:13:23 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


Don Tuite wrote:


These things can be a mixed blessing.

http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=3002

Yes, biting the hand that feeds you can have consequences if you aren't
willing to feed yourself.


All in how you read the tealeaves, Matt. I was thinking "No good deed
goes unpunished."

Yes, I had to laugh when the article essentially suggested that the
timber company should be proud that its education support had so
"enlightened" the community that they no longer thought the timber
industry was something that should be supported.

Matt

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

El Dorado Arkansas got some incredible news yesterday. So if you have kids
in school you might want to think about moving here.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...an23,1,1659033
..story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

That is a fantastic guesture from a private company. but one has to wonder
why a country so wealthy needs to rely on private generosity to educate its
young. When I went to Uni 25 years ago here in Oz it was free to all. Later
govts have since made it a pay later system ( you pay extra income tax only
when you have a job above x$ year unitl you pay back the fees that
represent about 20% of the real cost).Current govt is doing their damdest to
bring back pay before you go fees. Going backwards in my opinion. Of course
one big difference here as that pretty much all Universities are govt
owned.
terry
ppl downunder

d&tm wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
El Dorado Arkansas got some incredible news yesterday. So if you have kids
in school you might want to think about moving here.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...an23,1,1659033
.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
That is a fantastic guesture from a private company. but one has to wonder
why a country so wealthy needs to rely on private generosity to educate its
young. When I went to Uni 25 years ago here in Oz it was free to all. Later
govts have since made it a pay later system ( you pay extra income tax only
when you have a job above x$ year unitl you pay back the fees that
represent about 20% of the real cost).Current govt is doing their damdest to
bring back pay before you go fees. Going backwards in my opinion. Of course
one big difference here as that pretty much all Universities are govt
owned.
terry
ppl downunder


Could it be that the current system in the US has created the greatest
university system in the world and people from all over the world come
here to learn? There are a tremendous amount of scholarships available
and if your smart enough your not likely to be unable to go to college.
Any one can go to school here, not just those who are ranked highly
on standard tests. You may not be able to attend Harvard but you can go
to school somewhere. Is this true in OZ?

"John Theune" wrote in message
news:aK8uh.34752$gS1.14487@trndny01...
d&tm wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
El Dorado Arkansas got some incredible news yesterday. So if you have
kids
in school you might want to think about moving here.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...an23,1,1659033
.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
That is a fantastic guesture from a private company. but one has to
wonder
why a country so wealthy needs to rely on private generosity to educate
its
young. When I went to Uni 25 years ago here in Oz it was free to all.
Later
govts have since made it a pay later system ( you pay extra income tax
only
when you have a job above x$ year unitl you pay back the fees that
represent about 20% of the real cost).Current govt is doing their
damdest to
bring back pay before you go fees. Going backwards in my opinion. Of
course
one big difference here as that pretty much all Universities are govt
owned.
terry
ppl downunder


Could it be that the current system in the US has created the greatest
university system in the world and people from all over the world come
here to learn? There are a tremendous amount of scholarships available
and if your smart enough your not likely to be unable to go to college.
Any one can go to school here, not just those who are ranked highly
on standard tests. You may not be able to attend Harvard but you can go
to school somewhere. Is this true in OZ?

You certainly have some great universities in terms of research output,
Nobel prize winners, etc but the real measure of a University system, in
my humble opinion should primarily be based on the quality of its
undergraduate teaching and the accessibility to ordinary people with the
appropriate ability. Can anyone attend a school in Oz? I assume you mean
college or University, the answer is generally no because we usually have a
quota for each course with an academic standard based on supply and demand,
but it is heading in the direction of the US where anyone with the money
will be able to get in regardless of their aptitude. The end result I think
is that you end up with lower standards and degree qualified hamburger
flippers. Next thing we will be having scholarships for illiterate football
players and then I'll know our system has been stuffed
Anyways I didnt really want to get into a political debate, this is
rec.aviation afterall.
terry

"d&tm" wrote in message
...

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

El Dorado Arkansas got some incredible news yesterday. So if you have
kids
in school you might want to think about moving here.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...an23,1,1659033
.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

That is a fantastic guesture from a private company. but one has to wonder
why a country so wealthy needs to rely on private generosity to educate
its
young. When I went to Uni 25 years ago here in Oz it was free to all.

It wasn't free, fellow.

It's called parasitism.

"John Theune" wrote in message
news:aK8uh.34752$gS1.14487@trndny01...
d&tm wrote:


Could it be that the current system in the US has created the greatest
university system in the world and people from all over the world come
here to learn?

The same university system that cranks out graduates that still can't
read...?

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"d&tm" wrote in message
...

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

El Dorado Arkansas got some incredible news yesterday. So if you have
kids
in school you might want to think about moving here.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...an23,1,1659033
.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

That is a fantastic guesture from a private company. but one has to
wonder
why a country so wealthy needs to rely on private generosity to educate
its
young. When I went to Uni 25 years ago here in Oz it was free to all.

It wasn't free, fellow.

It's called parasitism.

Not at all. A civilised society needs educated people in all fields. It
cant function without doctors , teachers engineers etc etc. You educate
people and they go on to make important contributions to society and of
course pay tax. It just happens that some jobs require University training.
You know it is funny that no one ever argues about the taxpayer footing the
bill for someone to go to the police academy to be trained or to ( back to
aviation) an airforce pilot to be trained to fly but people expect a teacher
to pay for his own training which happens to be in University ( and then
work for peanuts doing an essential role for the community after that).
Where is the logic there? It certainly is parasitism ( by society not the
teacher ). A smart society will fill its Universities with smart people,
not rich people.
A previous poster commented about the US system pumping out graduates that
cant read.
I note one George Dubbya is a graduate of both Yale and Harvard.... say no
more.
terry