Anything new in to combat motion sickness?

I found that the inside of a Camelbak gets slimy very
quickly if left with water in it. I now store mine
on a hanger with the mouth down and with a cardboard
tube from an empty paper towel roll stuck inside to
hold it open. It dries quickly and is never slimy.

Forest

At 04:06 04 February 2007, Bill Daniels wrote:

Very plausible. Replacement bladders for these 'camelback'
things only cost
about $15 - I buy a new one each Spring.

I does concern me that several posters mentioned flying
while suffering from
airsickness. BTDT and I know I wasn't a great pilot
under it's effect.
Fortunately, age and experience has overcome it. I
think of you suffer from
airsickness it is a good idea to fly a 2-seater with
another pilot for a
while each spring until you re-adapt to flight.

Bill Daniels


'Eric Greenwell' wrote in message
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Gary Emerson wrote:
Greetings,

I typically suffer from motion sickness early in the
season and sometimes
on longer flights if the thermals are rough.

Recently, I've begun to wonder if some pilots are
experiencing sickness
caused (or at least increased) by a contaminated water
container. My
hypothesis is the container sits around all winter,
half full of water,
and some crud grows in it. The pilot starts flying
again, drinks water
with crud in it, and gets sick (or sicker than just
motion sickness would
make him). After a few flights and several quarts
of fresh water now run
through the container, the container is relatively
clean again, and the
pilot no longer gets sick.

Plausible? Is there any evidence?

--
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"Forest Baskett" wrote in message
...
I found that the inside of a Camelbak gets slimy very
quickly if left with water in it. I now store mine
on a hanger with the mouth down and with a cardboard
tube from an empty paper towel roll stuck inside to
hold it open. It dries quickly and is never slimy.

Forest


I changed the subject line.

I've found that not all water is created equal when it comes to "sliming".
When I lived in the North Bay area of California, we had water that was
mostly from Lake Berryessa and was "pre-treated". It was further treated
before being piped to the city folks, but we lived in the country so it was
sort of marginal, sometimes chlorine odor, sometimes not. Brown algae grew
in our pipes. I used a reverse osmosis filter, but still water left in a
Camelback would slime within a few days.

Where we live now, in the Sierra foothills just SW of Minden, Nevada, we
have well water that we could bottle and sell to Californians (g). This
water seems to stay pure and drinkable for months at a time. Never any slime
unless the container wasn't cleaned properly to begin with.

bumper

I didn't see it mentioned yet, but Peptid AC (yes, the over the
counter antacid) is a life saver for me. I take one about 1-2 hrs
before my flight, and try to avoid eating anything too greasy for
lunch. It completely cured my air sickness with no observable side
effects. Now, the question is why? I think part of my motion
sickness was due to my stress level in the air. This tended to get my
stomach churning, and perhaps that is what produced the undesired
reverse peristalsis. On the other hand, perhaps it's something
completely different.

I don't really care, as long as it works, and it hasn't failed me
yet. I was skeptical at first when someone suggested it, but won't
fly without it now. Anyone else tried this?

Matt Jr.

Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
I didn't see it mentioned yet, but Peptid AC (yes, the over the
counter antacid) is a life saver for me. I take one about 1-2 hrs
before my flight, and try to avoid eating anything too greasy for
lunch. It completely cured my air sickness with no observable side
effects. Now, the question is why? I think part of my motion
sickness was due to my stress level in the air. This tended to get my
stomach churning, and perhaps that is what produced the undesired
reverse peristalsis. On the other hand, perhaps it's something
completely different.

I don't really care, as long as it works, and it hasn't failed me
yet. I was skeptical at first when someone suggested it, but won't
fly without it now. Anyone else tried this?

Yeah, that's helped me as well. In fact, I bet we both got the
suggestion from the same person. :-)

But the thing that's helped me the most is simply flying as much as
possible. The better my body gets at anticipating the sensations
involved with flying, lift, and various stick movements, the better I am.

Unfortunately, that means I end up being a bit of a stick hog on dual
flights early in the season.

Jeremy

On Feb 4, 12:02 am, "bumper" wrote:
"Forest Baskett" wrote in message

...

I found that the inside of a Camelbak gets slimy very
quickly if left with water in it. I now store mine
on a hanger with the mouth down and with a cardboard
tube from an empty paper towel roll stuck inside to
hold it open. It dries quickly and is never slimy.

Forest

I changed the subject line.

I've found that not all water is created equal when it comes to "sliming".
When I lived in the North Bay area of California, we had water that was
mostly from Lake Berryessa and was "pre-treated". It was further treated
before being piped to the city folks, but we lived in the country so it was
sort of marginal, sometimes chlorine odor, sometimes not. Brown algae grew
in our pipes. I used a reverse osmosis filter, but still water left in a
Camelback would slime within a few days.

Where we live now, in the Sierra foothills just SW of Minden, Nevada, we
have well water that we could bottle and sell to Californians (g). This
water seems to stay pure and drinkable for months at a time. Never any slime
unless the container wasn't cleaned properly to begin with.

bumper

Camelback bladders can also be dealt with by simply rinsing, refilling
partially, inflating the bag with air thru the hose and freezing while
flat so the outlet and filler port don't freeze over. Cleaning about
monthly is all that is reqd. The water stays very fresh and cold.
The amount you partially fill it should be related to how hot it will
be and how long until you need the water. Then fill to capacity and
go. Another secret is to turn the bladder upside down and suck all
the air out it. That way you don't get the annoying gurgle, there is
always water available at first suck and it will more fully empty.
Adjust the frozen portion according to experience. I use a third full
for average days and half full for hot ones.

BC

On 2/4/07 12:02 AM, in article
, "bumper"
wrote:


"Forest Baskett" wrote in message
...
I found that the inside of a Camelbak gets slimy very
quickly if left with water in it. I now store mine
on a hanger with the mouth down and with a cardboard
tube from an empty paper towel roll stuck inside to
hold it open. It dries quickly and is never slimy.

Forest


I changed the subject line.

I've found that not all water is created equal when it comes to "sliming".
When I lived in the North Bay area of California, we had water that was
mostly from Lake Berryessa and was "pre-treated". It was further treated
before being piped to the city folks, but we lived in the country so it was
sort of marginal, sometimes chlorine odor, sometimes not. Brown algae grew
in our pipes. I used a reverse osmosis filter, but still water left in a
Camelback would slime within a few days.

Where we live now, in the Sierra foothills just SW of Minden, Nevada, we
have well water that we could bottle and sell to Californians (g). This
water seems to stay pure and drinkable for months at a time. Never any slime
unless the container wasn't cleaned properly to begin with.

bumper


care of camelback bladders:

I use vinegar.

When I get a new bladder, I put a weak vinegar solution in it and let it sit
for a few hours: takes away that initial "plastic" taste. Rinse a few times
to get rid of the vinegar flavor and you're good to go.

Always drain, rinse, and dry (paper towel tube, or the official Camelback
drying doo-dad) after use. This reduces dramatically the chance of growth by
any of our teeny-weeny friends.

I repeat the vinegar thing at the beginning of the season, unless some of
the plastic parts appear about to get brittle and fail. Then I get a new
bladder and repeat.

One of the bladders I'm using now is 3 years old. I carry two: one for
hydration, one for survival.

Good flying,
Bullwinkle

One of the bladders I'm using now is 3 years old. I carry two: one for
hydration, one for survival.

Good flying,
Bullwinkle- -

I'm is the same camp as Mr. Bulwinkle, one for hydration, one for
survival, and cleanliness is next to Godliness in all water systems!

About the motion sickness, I owned larger sailboats for a long time
and found that passengers could even get over seasickness (Mal de
Mer), by staying still, either sitting or standing, and looking at the
horizon. Many studies I'm read verify that it's the conflict between
the Equilibrium/Balance sytem (the vestibular system) vs the visual
system that cause the uneasyness. Concious training of the eyes vs.
head motion will reduce/eliminate the motion sickness. Even though I'd
sailed for over 30 years on & off before taking up soaring, my first
few soaring flights of any length and violence would give me "Queasy
Stomach" until we went into interthermal flight.
All in all, I'd recomend trying to get the attention away from the
center of the thermal circle and looking out toward the horizon more.

Many thanks to Dr. Alex for his excellent discussion of the causes of
the motion sicknes and its association with toxic substance control by
the body.

FreeFlight Libelle

bumper wrote:
I've found that not all water is created equal when it comes to "sliming".
When I lived in the North Bay area of California, we had water that was
mostly from Lake Berryessa and was "pre-treated". It was further treated
before being piped to the city folks, but we lived in the country so it was
sort of marginal, sometimes chlorine odor, sometimes not. Brown algae grew
in our pipes. I used a reverse osmosis filter, but still water left in a
Camelback would slime within a few days.

Where we live now, in the Sierra foothills just SW of Minden, Nevada, we
have well water that we could bottle and sell to Californians (g). This
water seems to stay pure and drinkable for months at a time. Never any slime
unless the container wasn't cleaned properly to begin with.

The one thing I use bottled water for is filling my Camelbak. I use the
cheaper brands available in my local supermarket. The Camelbak is never
filled with anything else and its never got slimy, smelly or bad tasting.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Forest Baskett wrote:
I found that the inside of a Camelbak gets slimy very
quickly if left with water in it. I now store mine
on a hanger with the mouth down and with a cardboard
tube from an empty paper towel roll stuck inside to
hold it open. It dries quickly and is never slimy.

I've been doing this for several years and agree that it works well. I
also bought one of those tiny brushes on a long. flexible, shaft (see
http://tinyurl.com/33qcco) and clean out the delivery tube several times
per year (OK, once per year :-) ).

Tony V.

As a kid, say thru the age of about 13, I was quite
susceptible to motion sickness. It was guaranteed
that if you put me in the back seat of an airplane
I would get airsick. If I was in the front seat or
in
the back seat with controls and flying I would be fine.
By about 14 I was no longer prone to airsickness
when just riding in the back seat of an aircraft.
But if I attempted to read anything in an aircraft
or a car I would get queasy in short order. It is
not
uncommon for new pilots to get queasy when
navigation requires detailed map reading.
About the age of 35 my eyesight started to
diminish and I began t need reading glasses. A
side benefit of the slightly reduced near vision was
that I found that I could now read while riding in
a
vehicle, without getting motion sickness.


At 09:00 04 February 2007, Alex wrote:
One interesting theory on the cause of motion sickness
is on the
Wikipedia and I am quoting it here, not sure if you
can prove it, but
it's an interesting idea:

'The most common theory for the cause of motion sickness
is that it
evolved as a defence mechanism against neurotoxins.
The area postrema
in the brain is responsible for inducing vomiting when
poisons are
detected, and for resolving conflicts between vision
and balance. When
feeling motion but not seeing it (for example, in a
ship with no
windows), the inner ear transmits to the brain that
it senses motion,
but the eyes tell the brain that everything is still.
The area
postrema will always believe the inner ear signal over
the eyes, as
the eyes are more susceptible to trickery (see optical
illusion). As a
result, the brain will come to the conclusion that
one is
hallucinating and further conclude that the hallucination
is due to
poison ingestion. The brain responds by inducing vomiting,
to clear
the supposed toxin.'