Anyone dissapointed with Oshgosh?

"
Bob, i usually agree with u, but a 44K a year salary with benefits is
pretty
good. If you think that is pretty bad you need to take a look what the
average
wages are in the US. If a couple makes 88K a year I would have to say
that
alot of my clients would consider them rich. Since i know a lot of people
working in factories or banks for 10 or less an hour

Compare it to other occupations that require a 4 year college education, and
continuing education. Not so good, when looked at that way.
--
Jim in NC--

"BD5ER" wrote in message
...
but how to we figure out good teachers from the
bad ones

Who cares. Pay them the same way lots of other workers get paid. By the
job -
if it gets done right. Then let the parents pick which teacher they want
based
on their track record.

=====Only if the teachers get to reject some students.

If little Bob tests normal on the IQ test at the beginning of the year and
he
doesn't pass the final the teacher doesn't get paid.

=====And teachers are supposed to get paid, dependent on how much effort
someone else puts into their work? Yea right. I'll bet you would go for
that.

If little Bob gets an A
the teacher gets a bonus. And grade on the curve, based on system wide,
multi
year, results. Yes, I used that evil, segregating, esteem bashing word -
Grades.

'course there is the little problem of poor parents. But teachers should
also
have the right to refuse to take on their jobs.

Around here the teachers can't be fired unless they do something really
bad,
like get convicted of a felony directly related to the school environment.
Simple incompetence is overlooked. And the teachers all know it. Only
the
ones with a bit of personal integrity actually perform. Just like the
rest of
our society......

=====The percentage of poor teachers, or one that don't care is pretty low;
at least at my school.
You should read what you wrote, again. It sounds silly, to me.

You should read what you wrote, again. It sounds silly, to me.

It does? That's the way a large portion of the world works. Those that
perform get rewarded. Those that don't look for work. When I'm paying the
bill that's what I expect.

Guess which half doesn't like this concept.

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


Piece of cake.

Fire the teachers of the least literate posters on Usenet.
Then fire the teachers of those teachers. IF ANYBODY is
left standing, give 'em a paycheck equal to private industry.

Barnyard BOb - all my teachers and their teachers are dead



All mine are dead too but if not, they would have to be fired.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Fire the teachers of the least literate posters on Usenet.
Then fire the teachers of those teachers. IF ANYBODY is
left standing, give 'em a paycheck equal to private industry.

Barnyard BOb - all my teachers and their teachers are dead



All mine are dead too but if not, they would have to be fired.


Bob Reed
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Really?
Most of my teachers were very competent.

In college, the worst I ever had was the gal
that was 'supposed' to be teaching chemistry.
She only lasted a couple of years, so the system
still wasn't broke at that point.

Barnyard BOb - call me the weak link in the chain

"Barnyard BOb wrote:

Really?
Most of my teachers were very competent.

In college, the worst I ever had was the gal
that was 'supposed' to be teaching chemistry.
She only lasted a couple of years, so the system
still wasn't broke at that point.

Barnyard BOb - call me the weak link in the chain
######################
Your observation is still closer to the truth, than some postings of late.

I don't know why some people just want to run the other guy down. (not just
about teaching)

I can only say that I'm tired of trying to convince the blockheads. They
must be the ones who never cracked a book out of class, then said the
teacher was at fault.
--
Jim (JUST running down blockheads) in NC--

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


Really?
Most of my teachers were very competent.


Not sure if it was incompetent teachers or the system but by the time I was
half way through school I was bored to death and hated it with a passion. We
were part of the grand experiment in reading by phonics and then they decided
that wasn't working so they tried something else, then something else. I
learned to read quite well but never did learn to spell worth a damn.





Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Really?
Most of my teachers were very competent.


Lets see here, my mother is 23 years older then me but yet i had 2 teachers
that taught her. The one used the same tests for the entire time he taught.
HMMMM no cheating there. Anyways he was so tired of teaching but just wanted
30 years in that he would fall asleep in class. The other one was just an ass
who was putting in time to hit 30 years. Didnt care about anything. Some of
my best teachers were the ones that bucked the system. They didnt lsat long,
but they made learning fun so i learned. PS I am very smart, but then again
ordinary things bore me. Oh well. PPS I cant type so..... lol dont comment
on it. lol

On 18 Aug 2003 20:05:11 GMT, cal (BD5ER) wrote:

but how to we figure out good teachers from the
bad ones

Who cares. Pay them the same way lots of other workers get paid. By the job -
if it gets done right. Then let the parents pick which teacher they want based
on their track record.

If little Bob tests normal on the IQ test at the beginning of the year and he
doesn't pass the final the teacher doesn't get paid. If little Bob gets an A
the teacher gets a bonus. And grade on the curve, based on system wide, multi
year, results. Yes, I used that evil, segregating, esteem bashing word -
Grades.

Except for that old saying: "you can lead a horse to water but you
can't make it drink."

The best teachers in the world cannot force kids to learn if they
don't want to. Luckily, most kids do want to learn, but classroom
dynamics sometimes dictate how that goes.

In some classrooms, the bullies rule and pick on kids who are smart.
Naturally, those kids who are smart clam up for their own good.

It's just not as easy as you make it, not any more.

Corky Scott

Or, as Dorothy Parker put it...

"You can lead a horticulture, but you cannot make her think."

Jim



(Corky Scott)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
-Except for that old saying: "you can lead a horse to water but you
-can't make it drink."




Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com