A380 captain's pay

On 29 May 2007 16:03:55 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On May 27, 8:13 pm, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:22:00 GMT, John Theune
wrote:

Kingfish wrote:
Interesting article here on the arbitration case between Singapore
Airlines and its pilots. The court ruled SIA must pay A380 captains
more than 747 captains. Duh? If it's bigger, heavier and has more
seats that should be a no-brainer IMHO, unless of course the airline
is trying to contain labor costs. I was amazed to see their monthly
base pay of $10k for 747 captains. $120k/yr to fly a 747? Even
allowing for per diem and other stuff, SWA's 737 captains make a lot
more than that...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...court-rules-si...

Pay is always based on the location of the job. Software engineers in
the US make 75K but in Bangalore they make 5K. Why would it be

They took a pay cut? My late cousin was making considerably more than
that 10 years ago. That too depended on what you were doing and where.
I understood that a lot of pilots flying the "big iron" have taken
some serious pay cuts in the past few years.

Software engineers who are still using skills from 1995 are probably
making 75K. If you aren't attending conferences (like Java One, etc)
and going to training at least once a year you can't expect to make
much more.

That pretty much stands to reason and isn't just true in the software
business.


My point is we were making more than that back then and if keeping up
I'd expect to be making much more. However, I'm retired and making
much less at least as far as my pension goes.

-Robert

On May 25, 10:27 am, Kingfish wrote:
Interesting article here on the arbitration case between Singapore
Airlines and its pilots. The court ruled SIA must pay A380 captains
more than 747 captains. Duh? If it's bigger, heavier and has more
seats that should be a no-brainer IMHO, unless of course the airline
is trying to contain labor costs. I was amazed to see their monthly
base pay of $10k for 747 captains. $120k/yr to fly a 747? Even
allowing for per diem and other stuff, SWA's 737 captains make a lot
more than that...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...court-rules-si...


Do bigger airplanes require more skill to fly? The Wright Flyer weighs
only 600 lbs but most pilots don't have the skill to fly it.

Hummer drivers must be smarter than Geo Metro drivers.

On May 25, 11:24 am, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 25, 10:27 am, Kingfish wrote:

Interesting article here on the arbitration case between Singapore
Airlines and its pilots. The court ruled SIA must pay A380 captains
more than 747 captains. Duh? If it's bigger, heavier and has more
seats that should be a no-brainer IMHO, unless of course the airline
is trying to contain labor costs. I was amazed to see their monthly
base pay of $10k for 747 captains. $120k/yr to fly a 747? Even
allowing for per diem and other stuff, SWA's 737 captains make a lot
more than that...

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...court-rules-si...

Do bigger airplanes require more skill to fly? The Wright Flyer weighs
only 600 lbs but most pilots don't have the skill to fly it.

Hummer drivers must be smarter than Geo Metro drivers.

I don't think skill ever entered the equation (assumed sarcasm
notwithstanding) - AFAIK pilot pay has been based on either acft
weight or # of seats. Paul T's statement about widebody captains
spending much of their time in the flight levels on AP can be said of
pretty much any airline jet pilot, although it may be tougher to stay
proficient considering the number of approaches they fly in a month
compared to a Dash or ATR pilot. John T's point was valid in that I'm
attributing US pilot pay standards to that of Singapore where there's
clearly a substantial difference. Kinda makes me wonder what SIA pays
their 737/A320 captains...

On 25 May 2007 08:24:29 -0700, Andrew Sarangan
wrote:

Do bigger airplanes require more skill to fly?


Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

Look at it this way:

I'm f'n around @ OXC, and I pull out in front of Kingfish, who's on
short final in the Pilatus. A mess, local news, sad families, yadda,
yadda, yadda...

The same happens with 747's and you get this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_disaster

Kabeesh?

BTW, I ALWAYS look both ways before entering a runway, especially if I
know Kingfish is coming in...

And FWIW, one of my best friend's dad is a retired PanAm B747 captain
who has owned light aircraft all his life, and he says "Yes, the 747
is more difficult to fly".

B A R R Y writes:

Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

Then why aren't the requirements for sea captains just as stringent, and the
pay the same? The captain of an ocean liner has ten times as many people to
worry about as the captain of an airliner.

And FWIW, one of my best friend's dad is a retired PanAm B747 captain
who has owned light aircraft all his life, and he says "Yes, the 747
is more difficult to fly".

What else would you expect a retired 747 captain to say?

Airliners _were_ difficult to fly, in the days when they had no automation.
But times have changed. And Pan Am went out of business long ago.

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On May 26, 12:38 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
B A R R Y writes:

Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

Then why aren't the requirements for sea captains just as stringent, and the
pay the same? The captain of an ocean liner has ten times as many people to
worry about as the captain of an airliner.

And FWIW, one of my best friend's dad is a retired PanAm B747 captain
who has owned light aircraft all his life, and he says "Yes, the 747
is more difficult to fly".

What else would you expect a retired 747 captain to say?

Airliners _were_ difficult to fly, in the days when they had no automation.


How would you know?

And , BTW, pilots still fly airliners which are substantially the same
as they were 50 years ago.


IOW you are talking stroight out of your as, as usual. ##



Bertie

But times have changed. And Pan Am went out of business long ago.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
B A R R Y writes:

Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

Then why aren't the requirements for sea captains just as stringent, and
the
pay the same? The captain of an ocean liner has ten times as many people
to
worry about as the captain of an airliner.

And FWIW, one of my best friend's dad is a retired PanAm B747 captain
who has owned light aircraft all his life, and he says "Yes, the 747
is more difficult to fly".

What else would you expect a retired 747 captain to say?

Airliners _were_ difficult to fly, in the days when they had no
automation.
But times have changed. And Pan Am went out of business long ago.


What else would we expect you to say, you clueless twit.

B A R R Y wrote:
Responsibility... Just like a sea captain.

if you define responsibility by, say, the number of
casualties you might get per goofs, then why are physicians
(who can kill/maim only one person at a time) paid more than
engineers (who can goof really big, and repeatedly, unlike
airline pilots); we should be on the very top of the pay
scale! :-)

--Sylvain

Sylvain writes:

if you define responsibility by, say, the number of
casualties you might get per goofs, then why are physicians
(who can kill/maim only one person at a time) paid more than
engineers (who can goof really big, and repeatedly, unlike
airline pilots); we should be on the very top of the pay
scale! :-)

Physicians are also less heavily regulated than airline pilots and some
engineers, which is also rather curious.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Sylvain writes:

if you define responsibility by, say, the number of
casualties you might get per goofs, then why are physicians
(who can kill/maim only one person at a time) paid more than
engineers (who can goof really big, and repeatedly, unlike
airline pilots); we should be on the very top of the pay
scale! :-)

Physicians are also less heavily regulated than airline pilots and
some
engineers, which is also rather curious.

You';re an idiot.


The answer to that one is obvious, but not to the autistic, obviously.


Bertie