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Old June 5th 07, 09:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Ol Shy & Bashful
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On Jun 5, 11:45 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in oglegroups.com...



I deviated south slightly to pass
around the heavy rain when I was surrounded by what I can only
describe as a "spider web" of lighting and was violently rolled upside
down.


Curious.... what's the procedure for recovering a 150 from an upside down
attitude? (FTM, what's the procedure for an Arrow?)

-c


Just continue with the roll and recover rightside up! Not a big deal
but I can highly recommend some aerobatic training for those who have
never been upside down!
I am continually amazed at how few of todays pilots have never been
inverted in an airplane or have done any spin training. That probably,
in part, answers why there are so many accidents from what should have
been "Ho-Hum" flight attitudes?
Ol S&B
Soaring Buzzard
Infamous Worldwide Pilot/Instructor

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Old June 5th 07, 09:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
gatt
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"Private" wrote in message
news:NIj9i.279469$DE1.82921@pd7urf2no...

I would also suggest that you find a Citabria and take some intro
aerobatics focusing on spins and unusual attitude recovery. If you can
find a Decathlon you can also try an inverted spin. Caution, there is no
known cure for aerobatics. The experience will improve your stick and
rudder skills more than anything I know and IMHO is great fun.



Anybody know any aerobatic instructors in Oregon or southeast Washington?

I've done spins and spin training, but nothing inverted.

-c


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Old June 5th 07, 10:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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gatt wrote:
Anybody know any aerobatic instructors in Oregon or southeast Washington?
I've done spins and spin training, but nothing inverted.


Check the International Aerobatics Club website.
They maintain a list of aerobatic instruction locations.
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Old June 5th 07, 10:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jim Logajan
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"gatt" wrote:
Anybody know any aerobatic instructors in Oregon or southeast
Washington?

I've done spins and spin training, but nothing inverted.


Probably too far south for you I suspect, but there is this company based
out of Creswell Oregon (just south of Eugene/Springfield):

http://www.wingoveraerobatics.com/
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Old June 5th 07, 10:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
gatt
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"john smith" wrote in message
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gatt wrote:
Anybody know any aerobatic instructors in Oregon or southeast Washington?
I've done spins and spin training, but nothing inverted.


Check the International Aerobatics Club website.
They maintain a list of aerobatic instruction locations.


Excellent! Thanks for the tip.

-c


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Old June 6th 07, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Stefan" wrote

If you have to ask, then the only viable procedure in any aircraft is:
Stick and rudder fully against the side where the outside is blue.


Ahh, but grasshopper, what if you are above a large body of water, and the
sky is full of white puffy clouds? Does the same wisdom apply?
ggg

Geeze, I had a quick hallucination, and thought for a moment I was MX.

Naaah. It was a nightmare!
--
Jim in NC


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Old June 6th 07, 12:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"gatt" wrote in message
...

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
ups.com...


I deviated south slightly to pass
around the heavy rain when I was surrounded by what I can only
describe as a "spider web" of lighting and was violently rolled upside
down.


Curious.... what's the procedure for recovering a 150 from an upside down
attitude? (FTM, what's the procedure for an Arrow?)

-c


I'm with Mort and OSB. Not a big deal. Full aileron, in the shortest
direction back to level. A little rudder and back pressure to speed your
recovery along, if you have time to think about it.

I would hope most pilots would react instinctively.

If you don't have enough airspeed and wind up in a spin, which would seem
really unlikely, just neutralize the controls (or let go of them). If your
150 is rigged correctly, which I bet you a nickel it is, it will stop by
it's self. Then get the nose up to avoid an over speed condition.

Just don't freak out. It shouldn't be a really big deal. But never do it
intentionally until you have been properly trained and equipped. Like
someone else mentioned, it can be real addictive.





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Old June 6th 07, 12:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
gatt
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"gatt" wrote:
Anybody know any aerobatic instructors in Oregon or southeast
Washington?

I've done spins and spin training, but nothing inverted.


Probably too far south for you I suspect, but there is this company based
out of Creswell Oregon (just south of Eugene/Springfield):

http://www.wingoveraerobatics.com/


Bookmarked it! $330/hr for Pitts (including instruction) seems like a lot,
but, coffins aren't cheap either and it's a short course. Thanks, all.

-c


  #29  
Old June 6th 07, 01:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:03:51 -0700, Brian wrote:

It has an article
about a sailplane that was hit by lighting.



Fortunately, an aluminum aircraft forms a Faraday cage.

A Faraday cage blocks out external static electrical fields by directing
the charge around the outside of the fuselage. This is not to say that
damage can't occur to the electrical system because it's not a perfect
cage. Composite aircraft don't share this protection.


--
Dallas
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Old June 6th 07, 02:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jim Carter[_1_]
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"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
ups.com...
....

I am continually amazed at how few of todays pilots have never been
inverted in an airplane or have done any spin training. That probably,
in part, answers why there are so many accidents from what should have
been "Ho-Hum" flight attitudes?
Ol S&B
Soaring Buzzard
Infamous Worldwide Pilot/Instructor


So maybe a loop, or spin for a couple of turns, or even roll weren't such
terrible things to teach students 30 or 40 years ago? I don't think we had
as great a percentage of control loss accidents back then as we do now, but
we did have a lot more weather related accidents.

Trying to make the pursuit safer by eliminating training accidents by
removing certain skill tests from the practical flight test didn't do anyone
much good I suspect. It did however create commercial pilots who've never
been upside down or in a fully developed spin before. I don't see that as an
improvement, but maybe I'm overlooking something.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas


 




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