Argument against high gas prices

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Blueskies wrote:
"kontiki" wrote in message
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The very best way to lower prices on anything is to open up
the marketplace... encourage entrepeneurs to enter the market.
Provide incentives to modernize/increase efficiency and expand
and modernize production and manufacturing facilities. Lower
the barriers (regulation/red tape) that prevent smaller and
more agressive youg companies to establish themselves.



That will never happen with everyong drinking 'fuel' from the same
pipe...





Think outsside the box. Find more pipes.

Find more pools to stick the pipes into.

"Cubdriver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:56:52 -0700, wrote:

You've seen how well the feds have run aviation lately,

Homeland Security.

Mail.

Welfare.

Medicare.

Coe out west and add "water" to that list.


Sometimes it seems that the only thing the government does well is
invading countries, though occupying them seems beyond its capacity
also.

That's their #1 job. They did pretty good in the past before they became
"sensitive".

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Really? Got a $100K I can have to invest in the oil companies? I
don't have it myself, so your suggestion does me no good.


You don't need $100k in order to be an investor you doofus. Sign up
for a Schwab/Etrade/Scottrade account for as littel as $500.

Sheesh... the education system is this country is as corrupt
as the government. Oh yeah... schools are run by the government.

One follows the other.

If you loook back to the 1840's and Thomas Mann, you find that was precisely
the objective.

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On Jun 6, 4:07 am, kontiki wrote:
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Really? Got a $100K I can have to invest in the oil companies? I
don't have it myself, so your suggestion does me no good.

You don't need $100k in order to be an investor you doofus. Sign up
for a Schwab/Etrade/Scottrade account for as littel as $500.

Sheesh... the education system is this country is as corrupt
as the government. Oh yeah... schools are run by the government.

Oooh, so if I invest a whole $500 in oil, I might make what, $500 if I
am lucky? Wow, big deal...

Just because you're "tapped"... (I could add some more acerbic adjectives to
describe childish envy...)

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Oooh, so if I invest a whole $500 in oil, I might make what, $500 if I
am lucky? Wow, big deal...


Exactly. Do you expect them to just start paying you money while until
you save enough beer money to buy some shares? Sheesh go collect a
welfare check.

It takes money to make money in the stock market.

That's the general idea.

If you don't
already have it, you have nothing to leverage to make any real money.

Really? Wow I didn't know that!

The best leverage is SMART'S.

Lynn Tilton, whose company, Patriarch Partners, just bought MD Helicopters a
couple years ago, was a single Mom ten years ago, and is now worth over $1
BILLION from stock investments.

There's a number of people doing stock analysis who made their fortunes
starting with just a few hundreds. Before my wife "retired" from the stock
brokerage business to run OUR business, she knew, personally, dozens of
self-made millionaires.

What do they have that Dean hasn't got?

Lemme guess...

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

And don't forget that political BS promoting ethanol blends. Save the
planet,
higher prices and lower gas mileage.


yeah.. government logic... force the use of a product because it
sounds good to people... an might get you re-elected. Oooops ...
now we discover that burning ethanol can produce some rather ugly
and dangerous by products.

Not to mention corn shortages that are ripping Mexico and other countries
apart...

"dave" wrote in message
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"gatt" wrote in message Guys who bring
this up on or.politics are usually called socialists,
communists, or America-hating lieberals, and the advice they're given is
to invest in XOM. To me, that's tantamount to investing in organized
crime. At some point we're either going to force them to put the national
interest over record oil prices, or pull a Chavez and nationalize it. I'm
not being a big-government socialist when I say that the federal
bureaucracy could run the oil industry at lower user cost. (Not
necessarily more efficiently, but in ways that are less damaging to the
US economy, transportation industries, etc.)


If the market was truly working, then the oil companies would be
increasing capacity
before any predicted shortage due to summer/winter blends or recurirng
spikes in demand.

They've been begging to do that for 30 years, but a certain group is very
good at intimidating the regulators (and many are EPA regulators themselves.

This way they would try to to get a competitive advantge over one another,
and have more gas on hand to sell at the higher price. Eventually the
recurring, predictable shortage would go away.

The problem is collusion and cartels. This is illegal, and not the way a
free market is supposed to work.

Like OPEC?

Get a freaking clue and can the high-school level conspiracy drivel.

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You have an arrogant attitude.

That's the way I get when I hear people like you bitch.

I have more in my 401K than you do,

I didn't say that amount was in my current 401K, if you had
actually comprehended what I wrote you would have known it is
a Roth IRA account which is contributory. Its available to
all working Americans.

but that's not the point. I have a legitimate right to gripe about
over-inflated gas prices which are clearly a result of poorly managed
supply (not increasing demand).

The poor management is a result of chicken little attitudes like
yours and the complete lack of leadership in this country with
respect to an responsible energy plan.

Investing money in the industry which
I don't have at my disposal (and no, 401K funds typically don't allow
you to target one or two stocks)

My 401K lets me choose among numerous types of investments, although
not indivudal stocks. Like I said... open up a Roth IRA if you want
more bang for your buck.

as a way of saying "if you can't beat
them, join them" is BS. Also, trying to insult my education is
juvenile. You are what, 25? 28? You act like 17.


I have a BSEE too but for me it was only the beginning of a lifelong
educational process.

Nomen Nescio wrote:
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Really? Got a $100K I can have to invest in the oil companies? I
don't have it myself, so your suggestion does me no good.


You don't need nearly that much to hedge your fuel costs (unless you
burn one HELL of a lot of gas).

Check out Canadian Oil Trusts
(disclaimer: The following are some of my trades....I do this s**t for a living.
Your results may vary)

Canetic Resources Trust (CNE)
Purchased $12.28 on 3/15/07
Current $16.17
Gain 34%
Current Annual Dividend Yield 13.8%

Harvest Energy Trust (HTE)
Purchased $19.95 on 1/9/07
Current $30.54
Gain 52%
Current Annual Dividend Yield 15%

Pengrowth Energy Trust (PGH)
Purchased $14.88 on 11/14/06
Current $19.21
Gain 28%
Current Annual Dividend Yield 15.6%

Penn West Energy Trust (PWE)
Purchased $27.52 on 1/10/07
Current $35.78
Gain 28%
Current Annual Dividend Yield 11.8%

They all have had a fairly good capital gain, but there's
still some upside room to move. A few political problems
in the mideast, or a good hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico,
could send them up quite a bit. And I don't see the price
of oil taking a dive in the near future, either.
But if not, an 11-15% dividend yield is nothing to **** on.
The dividends are paid monthly, also, which increases the
effective yield.
Oh, and as I'm typing this, Valero just announced that two
of their refineries are going down for "unscheduled maintenance".

I'm still holding all the above companies.

Still think it takes $100k?


Thank you for helping to make my point sir.

On Jun 6, 10:19 am, ktbr wrote:
wrote:

You have an arrogant attitude.


That's the way I get when I hear people like you bitch.

I have more in my 401K than you do,

I didn't say that amount was in my current 401K, if you had
actually comprehended what I wrote you would have known it is
a Roth IRA account which is contributory. Its available to
all working Americans.

but that's not the point. I have a legitimate right to gripe about
over-inflated gas prices which are clearly a result of poorly managed
supply (not increasing demand).

The poor management is a result of chicken little attitudes like
yours and the complete lack of leadership in this country with
respect to an responsible energy plan.

Investing money in the industry which
I don't have at my disposal (and no, 401K funds typically don't allow
you to target one or two stocks)

My 401K lets me choose among numerous types of investments, although
not indivudal stocks. Like I said... open up a Roth IRA if you want
more bang for your buck.

as a way of saying "if you can't beat
them, join them" is BS. Also, trying to insult my education is
juvenile. You are what, 25? 28? You act like 17.

I have a BSEE too but for me it was only the beginning of a lifelong
educational process.

**** you and your high horse...