Japanese Army Navy

Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial Japanese Navy Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft?

As a rule, no. The requirements were quite different up to 1941, when
they sudden moved closer together. (That's why the Nakjima Ki-43
Hayabusa was suddenly yanked off the shelf and put into service: the
army was told that it required a 500-mile-range fighter for the Malaya
invasion.)

I think both services operated Japan-built DC-2s and 3s, but even here
I think of the Douglases as navy planes. The army used a Japan-built
Lockheed Super Electra for dropping paratroops, and used bombers for
heavy cargo.

Army planes had French throttles: you pulled the throttle toward you
for full power; the navy followed English-American style. So it would
take some retraining before a pilot could fly an airplane from the
other service.

Army and navy radios couldn't communicate with one another. An army
machine-gun bullet wouldn't fit a navy machine gun nominally of the
same caliber. They made the famously contentious U.S. army and navy
look like models of interservice cooperation.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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I am surprised no-one mentioned the Ki-100 (Dinah) - used by both
services although in small numbers, and also the Ki-49 Hiryu (Peggy),
used by both. Unless my memory is hideously deformed....
--
G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:

I am surprised no-one mentioned the Ki-100 (Dinah) - used by both
services although in small numbers,

The Ki.100 was NOT the "Dinah" - the "Dinah" was the Ki.46 and the
Ki.100 never received an allied code name although the Ki.100 was
a radial-engined development of the Ki.61 "Tony"

Neither the Ki.46, the Ki.61, or the Ki.100 was ever operated by
IJNAF units however. They were all IJAAF aircraft.

and also the Ki-49 Hiryu (Peggy),
used by both. Unless my memory is hideously deformed....

The Ki.49 had the allied code name "Helen". And was used exclusively
by IJAAF units.

The "Peggy" was the Ki.67 which -was- used in small numbers under
the designation "Yakakuhi" by the IJNAF. So far as I can tell,
all the aircraft operated by the IJNAF were transfers from the IJAAF
and none were purpose-built for the IJNAF

Cheers and all,

"Gernot Hassenpflug" wrote in message
...
I am surprised no-one mentioned the Ki-100 (Dinah) - used by both
services although in small numbers, and also the Ki-49 Hiryu (Peggy),
used by both. Unless my memory is hideously deformed....
--
G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan


It is

The Ki-100 was a Ki-61-II with a 1500 hp Mitsubishi Ha-112-II
radial engine and was definitely an army aircraft

The Ki-46 Dinah was also an army aircraft as was the
Ki-49 Helen

The Ki-67 Peggy was designed for the Japanese air force
but was used by the IJN albeit in small numbers, first being
used by them in the attacks against the US 3rd fleet off
Formosa in late 1944.

Keith

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
An army
machine-gun bullet wouldn't fit a navy machine gun nominally of the
same caliber.

There was just one exception; both services used the licence-built
German 7.92mm MG 15 flexible gun (although they used different
designations...).

What is even more suprising is the lack of standardisation WITHIN each
service. I put a photo in 'Flying Guns: WW2' showing all of the
different aircraft ammo of up to 20mm which they used in service; the
IJN used five different calibres, the IJA used six, and the only
common element was the 7.92x57. There were also three different 30mm,
three different 37mm...

Tony Williams
Military gun and ammunition website: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk
Military gun and ammunition discussion forum:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/

Well, there was the Zero for one.

The A6M Zero wasn't in service with the Japanese army air force.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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A small number of the Army's Type 4 Heavy Bomber 'Hiryu' was used by
the Navy under the name 'Yasukuni'.

http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/ki-67/
http://www.214th.com/ww2/japan/ki-67/



(JDupre5762) wrote in message ...
Did the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the Imperial Japanese Navy Air
Force operate any of the same make of aircraft? It seems to me that that at
least with some combat aircraft the two services might have economically
ordered from the same production lines and saved some money and opened up some
factories for producing more of other types of aircraft?

John Dupre'

A small number of the Army's Type 4 Heavy Bomber 'Hiryu' was used by
the Navy under the name 'Yasukuni'.

That's the equivalent of naming an aircraft Arlington National
Cemetery! Not a very cheerful prospect for the crew.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Wasn't it suicidal anyway?
A big, fat bomber with an underslung torpedo flying a steady course...
An excellent target for AA fire in late 1944.



Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
A small number of the Army's Type 4 Heavy Bomber 'Hiryu' was used by
the Navy under the name 'Yasukuni'.

That's the equivalent of naming an aircraft Arlington National
Cemetery! Not a very cheerful prospect for the crew.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at http://www.danford.net/index.htm
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Cub Driver writes:

A small number of the Army's Type 4 Heavy Bomber 'Hiryu' was used by
the Navy under the name 'Yasukuni'.

That's the equivalent of naming an aircraft Arlington National
Cemetery! Not a very cheerful prospect for the crew.

I don't know, Yasukuni is a well-established name in Japanese history
and shinto, and the fact that one shrine is famous in its association
does not give it the same connotations as the ANC (which for me, as a
South African, has other associations too!). Yasukuni basically means
peaceful country, and it is a noble name. Japanese people nowadays
might associate Yasukuni-jinja with war criminals, but just yasukuni
is often found in literature, and in religious and historical texts.

--
G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan