One, big sh*t-eating grin...!

Jim, read the attributes for the postings before thinking that they
apply to you.
I responded to Bob who had responded to Jay.
I deliberately arranged the response to show the order and by whom the
statements were made before I sent the posting.
Your apology is accepted. ;-))

Jay Honeck wrote:
Just a few hours after his lesson he was lambasting me for not
teaching him to "lead his turns with the rudder".

Bob Noel wrote:
eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger pilots.

RST Engineering wrote:
Come again? I've got about 2300 hours in taildraggers and once they are a
sheet of paper off the runway, they fly just like a nosewheel airplane.
Enlighten me. My first fifteen years of flying must have been all wrong.

In article ,
john smith wrote:

eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger pilots.

Is leading the turn something a taildragger has to do on the ground?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"Jay Honeck" wrote

He thinks tricycle gear aircraft aren't the best to train in -- but
the only tail-dragger available for rent on the field is a Citabria,
and it's not available for primary flight instruction.

How come you are not having him learn in Atlas? Gas consumption so much
more that owning the craft wouldn't make up for renting?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote

He thinks tricycle gear aircraft aren't the best to train in -- but
the only tail-dragger available for rent on the field is a Citabria,
and it's not available for primary flight instruction.

How come you are not having him learn in Atlas? Gas consumption so much
more that owning the craft wouldn't make up for renting?

I see after reading more posts, asked and answered. I just got home from a
week away, and read the posts, in order.
--
Jim in NC

Five inches of rain here overnight, with more to come. I'll be amazed
if he gets a lesson in today.

Yowch. I don't think we've had 5" this year.

Yeah, it's impressive. US Hwy 6, east of Iowa City, was closed
yesterday, under water.

We've got a couple from Cambria, California with us at the inn this
weekend, and all they can do is walk around with their eyes wide open,
marveling at how GREEN everything is! They say that their area, not
far from Hearst Castle, is just golden brown dead, from a drought.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Bob Noel wrote:
eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

john smith wrote:
That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger pilots.

Bob Noel wrote:
Is leading the turn something a taildragger has to do on the ground?


That is correct. You see, because you sit in the front of the airplane
and the wheel that steers is attached to the back of the airplane, if
you want to change direction, you will want to be there before the
tailwheel gets there. Failure to do so results in what is commonly
referred to as a ground loop. :-))

In article ,
john smith wrote:

Bob Noel wrote:
eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

john smith wrote:
That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger pilots.

Bob Noel wrote:
Is leading the turn something a taildragger has to do on the ground?


That is correct. You see, because you sit in the front of the airplane
and the wheel that steers is attached to the back of the airplane, if
you want to change direction, you will want to be there before the
tailwheel gets there. Failure to do so results in what is commonly
referred to as a ground loop. :-))

so why did Jay's son complain about leading a turn?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:

We've got a couple from Cambria, California with us at the inn this
weekend, and all they can do is walk around with their eyes wide open,
marveling at how GREEN everything is! They say that their area, not
far from Hearst Castle, is just golden brown dead, from a drought.

There is a drought, but it is also the dry season. I'm about 150
miles north of there, and in this part of California, we usually
don't get ANY rain between June and October. Having lived back
east, the seasons here take some getting used to. Everything is
green during the winter, and dead in the summer. Average yearly
rainfall is in the 15-20 inch range.

I have some friends that moved here from Canada during the summer.
They bought a house with an established garden, and were watering
the plants regularly. They couldn't understand why the plants were
all dying. They took some cuttings to the local nursery, and were
told 'those are drought hardy plants'. My friend's comment was "It
doesn't rain for six months, and if you water the plants, they
die!"

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
john smith wrote:

Bob Noel wrote:
eh?
You need to use rudder to lead turns in a Cherokee?
I only flew a C-150 once, did most of my primary in a C-172,
and don't remember my CFI telling me to lead my turns.

john smith wrote:
That's because neither you nor your instructor were/are taildragger
pilots.

Bob Noel wrote:
Is leading the turn something a taildragger has to do on the ground?


That is correct. You see, because you sit in the front of the airplane
and the wheel that steers is attached to the back of the airplane, if
you want to change direction, you will want to be there before the
tailwheel gets there. Failure to do so results in what is commonly
referred to as a ground loop. :-))

so why did Jay's son complain about leading a turn?

The first answer is, in a taildragger your don't use the brakes to turn.
If you do use the brakes, you are going too fast.

The second answer is, the instructor was referring to controlling the
aircraft in flight. In a taildragger, you lead a turn with rudder before
adding the aileron.

"It
doesn't rain for six months, and if you water the plants, they
die!"

Now *that* is funny!

Just got back from an after dinner walk. Everything is green, green,
GREEN, with weeds growing out of literally any nook or cranny that had
a few specks of sand in them.

It's not raining anymore, but the humidity is about 99.9999%. Add
that .00001 and we'd have another torrential downpour...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"