Bad Engrish?

El Maximo writes:

I don't give a **** what you think. I also know that many others also don't
give a **** what you think.

Then why do you feel compelled to tell me so? And why do you need to
speculate that others feel as you do? Are you uncomfortable with your own
opinions if they don't match those of the club?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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El Maximo writes:

I don't give a **** what you think. I also know that many others also
don't
give a **** what you think.

Then why do you feel compelled to tell me so?

In the slim hope that you'll come to your senses and realize that you are
nothing but an irritant.

And why do you need to speculate that others feel as you do?

It's not speculation. Try re-reading what I wrote.

Are you uncomfortable with your own opinions if they don't match those of
the club?

If it were a club, we would have a method to prevent you from polluting.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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El Maximo writes:

I don't give a **** what you think. I also know that many others also
don't give a **** what you think.

Then why do you feel compelled to tell me so?


Because you're a fun fun punching bag.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Aluckyguess writes:

The controller getting upset doesn't do any good. That just makes a
bad situation worse.

Given the workload of the controller and the potential risks, I think
he did very well.

You either take the time or you tell him to shut the thing
down.

It's unlikely the pilot would shut down; that would be a tremendous
loss of face. It's also unlikely that any amount of explanation would
allow a person who cannot understand English to suddenly start
understanding it.

Nobody needs to get upset. I hate it when controllers act all ****y.
I was flying through the palm springs tursa one day and ATC was
getting all over this guy in a helicopter. The guy didn't speak good
English and was getting more and more confused as the guy yelled at
him. I almost asked for his number so I could call him and remind him
what his job was.

The pilot, or the controller? If the pilot can't understand English,
he needs to stay on the ground.


Not in France, they don't!

Which just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about, yet
agin.



Bertie

On 2007-06-28 19:33:05 -0700, "Aluckyguess" said:

The controller getting upset doesn't do any good. That just makes a bad
situation worse.

I don't think the controller was upset or angry. He spoke with emphasis
trying to make himself understood.

You either take the time or you tell him to shut the thing
down. Nobody needs to get upset. I hate it when controllers act all ****y. I
was flying through the palm springs tursa one day and ATC was getting all
over this guy in a helicopter. The guy didn't speak good English and was
getting more and more confused as the guy yelled at him. I almost asked for
his number so I could call him and remind him what his job was. His job is
to make sure everyone is safe not panic some new pilot into running into the
side of a mountain. After he gets the situation under control he can tell
the pilot to call and yell at him without the whole world listening.

I think you would have been way out of line to call him. The helicopter
pilot is obligated to obey ATC instructions. The controller has no way
of keeping people from running into each other or into mountains if
they just do whatever they want because they don't understand English.
If the helicopter pilot panicked and flew into a mountain it would have
been his fault, not the controller's.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Yeah...but they should also train the controllers on how to ditch
their various accents themselves, slow down a bit, and deal with ESL
pilots. The burden can't be 100% on the pilots to understand
controllers.
--
"I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source
code"

Bob Fry writes:

Yeah...but they should also train the controllers on how to ditch
their various accents themselves, slow down a bit, and deal with ESL
pilots. The burden can't be 100% on the pilots to understand
controllers.

False. This controller spoke very clearly; his accent was completely
unimportant. The pilot's English was horrible, and completely unacceptable.
All of the fault rests with the pilot.

You cannot "deal with" pilots who cannot speak English. There is nothing you
can do to make a person understand your language if he cannot understand it.
This pilot's English was so poor that no action the controller might take, and
no English accent he might have used, would have sufficed to allow
communication. The pilot was simply incompetent in English.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:58:53 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

This controller spoke very clearly; his accent was completely
unimportant.

Spoken like a true monophone American!

Accents are VERY important. You might try landing at Liverpool with a
controller speaking clearly in a Liverpudlian accent. You wouldn't
have a clue what he was saying.

It's not enough to speak clearly. The controller should speak a
standard English, like that used by network announcers and news
readers.

That said, there is a particular problem understanding Asians speaking
English that they learned in secondary school or later. Though they
were taught a standard English, either American or British, and though
they may be entirely fluent, it can be very hard indeed to understand
everything they say. I wrote a recommendation for a graduate student
applying to Harvard for a PhD program. I had no doubt whatever that
she could handle the work with ease, but I had to admit that I was
sometimes mystified by her speech. ("Wolf" for example. She pronounced
it with a long O, and it became another word entirely.)


Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com

Cubdriver,

he controller should speak a
standard English, like that used by network announcers and news
readers.


And, just like pilots, they should use standard phraseology! (Hint:
Neither "with you" nor "out of thirtyfivehundred" is)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert writes:

And, just like pilots, they should use standard phraseology! (Hint:
Neither "with you" nor "out of thirtyfivehundred" is)

Standard phraseology would not have helped here. The Chinese pilot was simply
incompetent in English.