Canadian Forces cast about for used Hercules airframes

National Pest article at http://tinyurl.com/onwo.

How realistic is this plan, anyway? Are there any C-130 airframes out
there to be had? Or, like John Cleese in the Cheese Shop sketch, is this
an act of the purest optimism on the part of the procurement folks to
pose the question in the first place.
--
Andrew Chaplin
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(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
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National Pest article at http://tinyurl.com/onwo.

How realistic is this plan, anyway? Are there any C-130 airframes out
there to be had? Or, like John Cleese in the Cheese Shop sketch, is this
an act of the purest optimism on the part of the procurement folks to
pose the question in the first place.

The C-130 fire bomber crash in California put many of the airframes on a
course for being beer cans.

The C-130 fire bomber crash in California put many of the airframes on a
course for being beer cans.


Not entirely true. Forest Service will not accept them for any retardant
tanker work. I believe some of the C-130As were used this summer, but outside
the country.


Ron
Tucson AZ
C-421 air ambulance

"Ron" wrote in message
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The C-130 fire bomber crash in California put many of the airframes on a
course for being beer cans.


Not entirely true. Forest Service will not accept them for any retardant
tanker work. I believe some of the C-130As were used this summer, but
outside
the country.

I know people who retrofit C-130s and they are saying many will soon be beer
cans. The water bomber crash was bad for the C-130, but good for
Bombardier.

Not entirely true. Forest Service will not accept them for any retardant
tanker work. I believe some of the C-130As were used this summer, but
outside
the country.

I know people who retrofit C-130s and they are saying many will soon be beer
cans. The water bomber crash was bad for the C-130, but good for
Bombardier.

And again, not entirely true

They are two different aircraft that would be best in two different
environments. In big wide open areas with lots of lakes, like much of southern
Canada, and Minnesota, those scoopers are great.

But in the western states, the scoopers would not be near as useful. Alpine
lakes surrounded by mountain peaks at around 10,000 MSL are not very good
places to be trying to scoop water, especially during a summer day.

There will always be a need for the heavy tankers with retardant..Might be less
of them in the future, but there will always be some around.

The ones to benefit the most from the probably elimination of C-130A and
PB4Y-2, will be companys and make and or operate SEATs, Single Engine Air
Tankers, like Air Tractors, Thrushs, Dromadiers.

I dont even think the USFS/OAS is going to card any additional P-2s, SP-2Hs for
retardant tankers..


Ron
Tucson AZ
C-421 air ambulance

"Ron" wrote in message
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Not entirely true. Forest Service will not accept them for any
retardant
tanker work. I believe some of the C-130As were used this summer, but
outside
the country.

I know people who retrofit C-130s and they are saying many will soon be
beer
cans. The water bomber crash was bad for the C-130, but good for
Bombardier.

And again, not entirely true

No Rob, it is entirely true that what happened is good for Bombardier. If
you were to choose to acquire even the most basic understanding of the
opertion of these quasi-public aircraft you would know that the "oldest
airframe" is the first launched. Bombardier's fire bombers are new and
subject to waiting a long long time before they are used today. A chnge in
the law is likely, due to the fact that old aircraft are more prone to
falling out of the sky.

They are two different aircraft that would be best in two different
environments. In big wide open areas with lots of lakes, like much of
southern
Canada, and Minnesota, those scoopers are great.

Poor Ron, makes a false premise and then expands into more ignorance.

But in the weste n states, the scoopers would not be near as useful.
Alpine
lakes surrounded by mountain peaks at around 10,000 MSL are not very good
places to be trying to scoop water, especially during a summer day.

Get back with us afeter you purchase a vowel, Ron.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:


"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
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National Pest article at http://tinyurl.com/onwo.

How realistic is this plan, anyway? Are there any C-130 airframes out
there to be had? Or, like John Cleese in the Cheese Shop sketch, is this
an act of the purest optimism on the part of the procurement folks to
pose the question in the first place.

The C-130 fire bomber crash in California put many of the airframes on a
course for being beer cans.

Yes, that's a real scary clip isn't it?...both wings came off
like they were made of cheese...I have it here somewhere...
--

-Gord.

Yes, that's a real scary clip isn't it?...both wings came off
like they were made of cheese...I have it here somewhere...
--

-Gord.

If you find it please send it to me.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:


"Andrew Chaplin" wrote in message
...
National Pest article at http://tinyurl.com/onwo.

How realistic is this plan, anyway? Are there any C-130 airframes out
there to be had? Or, like John Cleese in the Cheese Shop sketch, is
this
an act of the purest optimism on the part of the procurement folks to
pose the question in the first place.

The C-130 fire bomber crash in California put many of the airframes on a
course for being beer cans.

Yes, that's a real scary clip isn't it?...both wings came off
like they were made of cheese...I have it here somewhere...

It didn't look real.

Yes, that's a real scary clip isn't it?...both wings came off
like they were made of cheese...I have it here somewhere...

It didn't look real.

But it was real.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired