UAV Crash in Arizona (Long)

Steve Davis wrote:

airspace is owned by the American people I vote for increased usage
of Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest you keep
your sailplane away from them.

It's not just sailplane pilots that are concerned about UAVs. Some of
the other owners of the airspace are plenty concerned: From the AOPA
"ePilot" bulleting (10/19):

NTSB VALIDATES AOPA'S CONCERNS ABOUT UNMANNED AIRCRAFT OPS What
standards apply to unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) design and
certification? UAV "pilot" training? Integration into the National
Airspace System? AOPA has repeatedly voiced these concerns to the
FAA. On Oct. 16, the NTSB highlighted these same concerns and issued
22 recommendations after investigating a 2006 UAV accident. Currently
no FAA certification or regulatory standards exist for UAVs operating
in the National Airspace System. AOPA believes they should be
certified to the same level of safety as piloted aircraft. Read more
on AOPA Online [http://www.aopa.org/epilot/redir.cfm?adid=13323].

UAVs are not just on the border, either. There is a NOTAM for UAV
testing still in effect at the Arlington, OR, airport, an area we
frequently fly near; fortunately, the airspace involved is relatively
small, about the same as a Class D airspace. Testing is done in other
places around the country, of course.

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Roll on Terminator 2 & Skynet!

Why needs people to rule the world.

Great name though - Predator. Chasing you down wherever you are.

On Oct 21, 4:03 am, "
wrote:
Roll on Terminator 2 & Skynet!

What Skynet? I worked on Skynet 4 over 20 years ago!

Andy

And what recourse would our loved ones have against the "pilots" employed by these "defence contractors" in the name of "national security" when their glorified model aircraft has a mid-air with one of us, a GA pilot or some long-hair skidding about in his para-glider? (sorry long-hairs)
No doubt the spinners would have us in government airspace, (bull) too high or low (crap) over or near some newly invented anti-terrorist establishment. (yeah, right, how remotely desert was this housing estate?)

This is all rubbish, folks, and we need to let people know, as aviators, that the reasons do not add up to the perceived threats.

Can anyone here imagine a motorised vehicle on the freeways being sold to us in a similar way? Would that be acceptable?

No. And duh!

Get the hell out of my sky, I can't trust someone I can't sue.

Bagger

Steve Davis wrote:


Since U.S. airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your sailplane away from them.

Sure thing, Stevie. Just let us know where these devices are. Make them
electronically, visually, or procedurally visible and/or predictable and
we will be able to avoid them. Or make the drug/alien "war" real by
deploying troops where they would do some good.



Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American employees.

Are you applying for a landscaping, roofing, paving, or domestic service
job?



Jack

At 03:54 21 October 2007, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Steve Davis wrote:
I suspect that the number of Americans in Arizona
murdered
by illegal aliens this past month is slightly more
than the number
of UAV's which have crashed this year.

Absolutely right. Our homegrown murderers already
kill plenty, and
they don't need any competition!

We're getting our felons to move to California.
If they agree to plea bargain down to 'Trespassing
on
Agricultural Land,' then their fine can be used for
a ticket
on the California Zephyr. It works pretty well and
lowers
the Amtrack subsidies.

The amount of money spent providing free
medical care to illegal aliens would pay for quite
a few Predator factories
and salaries for the pilots who fly them.

Whether or not it is costing 1 million dollars per
alien found, we must
spend this money! We can't afford not to have Predator
factories and
pilots. Today they are only tracking aliens, tomorrow,
the rest of us!

I used to have those kinds of thoughts. When I got
30 miles north of
Roswell I took off the foil hat and they went away.


UAV crews
need to have high
quality training and experience before being deployed
to combat areas
and flying them along the Mexican and Canadian borders
makes a whole
lot more sense, to me, than flying them in Nebraska.

The high quality of the training provided is amply
documented by the
NTSB report. Imagine the skill and daring at work
as the highly paid
pilot and his instructor rebooted the operator consoles
and scratched
their heads!

Or the highly trained airline pilot who forgot to lower
their flaps or took
off from the wrong runway or the GA pilot who ran out
of gas because he
forgot to check. Oops.
Yea, the UAV crashed within 12 miles of a high
rent neighborhood but i'll bet the residents are more
concerned with the
rising cost of getting their pools cleaned than getting
beaned by a UAV.

Since U.S.
airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of
Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your
sailplane away from them.

You must have sold yours 8^)

No, but I don't live near the border.

Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.

Yeah, leave the hiring of illegal immigrants to American
corporations
where they belong!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5720596,00.html

Cut and paste both lines. Its an article about a defense
contractor which
recently got raided by ICE and the DCIS.

"Steve Davis" wrote in message
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...
I used to have those kinds of thoughts. When I got
30 miles north of
Roswell I took off the foil hat and they went away.
...


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Steve Davis wrote:

snip

Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.
Yeah, leave the hiring of illegal immigrants to American
corporations
where they belong!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5720596,00.html

Cut and paste both lines. Its an article about a defense
contractor which
recently got raided by ICE and the DCIS.


Three miles from my house, that caught my attention. The VP of R&D is
from China. Just speculating, but perhaps the gubument started getting
nervous about him, or the Korean CEO?

A little more info:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...723600,00.html


Shawn

Three miles from my house, that caught my attention.
The VP of R&D
is from China. Just speculating, but perhaps the gubument
started
getting nervous about him, or the Korean CEO?

No, the Clinton administration railroaded Wen Ho Lee
to deflect
public concern from the fact that they had been allowing
a large
amount of aircraft, missile and perhaps nuclear technology
transfers
to China. After that episode, the Asian community is
very sensitive to
the possibility of knee-jerk profiling and scapegoating
by the
government. A very large percentage of engineers in
American
industry are Asian and the Wen Ho Lee episode really
pi**ed them
off. It is 'possible' however that a company which
does a lot
of very tiny, precise and tedious assembly and adhesive
work could
find that bringing a group of women over from China,
keeping them
cloistered, and shipping back any who complained about
the conditions
worked better than hiring Americans to do that work.
If a defense
contractor did this it would be a matter for both ICE
and the DCIS to
investigate.

A little more info:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5723600,00.html
Shawn