WWII warplanes vs combat sim realism

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:19 GMT, (The Revolution
Will Not Be Televised) wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:53:55 +0000, Greg Hennessy
wrote:

A reengined victor would be superior to the vulcan in all aspects of what
you propose IMHO.

Carrying 50% more bombload, higher and faster.

Yeah, but let's face it, all the old V-force are shagged, and in any
case wouldn't have the same pork-barrel job-creation dynamic as a new
aircraft.

Quite. The unnecessary selection and production of 3 aircraft was an act of
political stupidity. Nonsense about it being 'insurance' should have been
sorted at the trial stage.


Think modern cheapskate version of the B-52 or something
similar

Yes, airbus will suggest using the wings and engines of the A-400M on a new
slender fuselage and call it the A-95M Ursa, The maritime variant, A-142M
would be an ideal nimrod replacement.

Think of all the french aerospace workers we can featherbed.

- I doubt they'd go for embedded engines again.

Yes, with a modern high bypass turbofan, it would lead to some interesting
levels of wing root thickness.


greg




Gavin Bailey

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:38:24 +0000, Greg Hennessy
wrote:

Quite. The unnecessary selection and production of 3 aircraft was an act of
political stupidity. Nonsense about it being 'insurance' should have been
sorted at the trial stage.

I dunno, at least the Valiant came in on time and almost to budget.
which is impressive if we ignore the fatigue situation for a minute.
They really should have made a choice between the Vulcan and the
Victor, though, and probably in favour of the latter. Having said
that, there was a time constraint at the time coupled with the
necessity to produce a successful type which doesn't exist now.

Think modern cheapskate version of the B-52 or something
similar

Yes, airbus will suggest using the wings and engines of the A-400M on a new
slender fuselage and call it the A-95M Ursa, The maritime variant, A-142M
would be an ideal nimrod replacement.

Think of all the french aerospace workers we can featherbed.

No, this is not a collaborative effort. They can work for certain
flagship programs at the political level, but one financial quagmire
at a time until the Eurofighter procurement and the A-whatever
(ex-FLA) contract is complete. This is a UK-led supplier effort.

- I doubt they'd go for embedded engines again.

Yes, with a modern high bypass turbofan, it would lead to some interesting
levels of wing root thickness.

Dig those old Short Sperrin airframes out of storage now!

Gavin Bailey

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Greg Hennessy nntp wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:30:19 GMT, (The Revolution
Will Not Be Televised) wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:53:55 +0000, Greg Hennessy
wrote:

A reengined victor would be superior to the vulcan in all aspects of what
you propose IMHO.

Carrying 50% more bombload, higher and faster.

Yeah, but let's face it, all the old V-force are shagged, and in any
case wouldn't have the same pork-barrel job-creation dynamic as a new
aircraft.

Quite. The unnecessary selection and production of 3 aircraft was an act of
political stupidity. Nonsense about it being 'insurance' should have been
sorted at the trial stage.

Four aircraft. There was the Short Sperrin as well, albeit prototypes
only. In a sense you can see why they went for multiple designs -
Victor and Vulcan were very daring designs for their day, Valiant
(and Sperrin) would work, but might not be good enough, long enough.
However actually going into production with three of the designs.. hmm.
If they'd done the four designs as prototypes and then built one of them
once they were sure it would work - well, perhaps there'd have been monet
over for the Avro 730 (or even the EE P10..)

Yes, airbus will suggest using the wings and engines of the A-400M on a new
slender fuselage and call it the A-95M Ursa, The maritime variant, A-142M
would be an ideal nimrod replacement.



Yes, with a modern high bypass turbofan, it would lead to some interesting
levels of wing root thickness.

Still think it's amazing that the original Comet wing managed to go from
housing the Ghost to the Avon to the Spey..

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