gpa a factor after graduation?

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:40:56 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
.. .

There was an old saying in the military, "if the minimum weren't good
enough, it wouldn't be the minimum." I'll confess, reluctantly, to
graduating from college with a 2.01 GPA (2.00 required for
graduation.) All I needed was an undergrad degree to get a commission
and got to USAF pilot training. (That was when there were a lot of
requirements and a low number of qualified candidates--the situation
is reversed today.)

I'll add, however, that once given the opportunity to compete, then
job performance becomes a big factor. When I got the chance, unlikely
as it might have seemed based on my undergrad performance, to go to
graduate school, I got serious. 4.0 for first MS, 3.95 for second.

Pilots, despite what engineer Tarver says, are inherently systems
managers, not blue collar equipment operators.

In fact, under the law, pilots are equipment operators. An operator, as
legislated by the International Brotherhood of Operating Engineers.

I'm sorry, but neither military nor commercial aviators are members of
the IBOE. The membership may choose to call pilots whatever they wish,
but the IBOE doesn't make any "law" that describes nomeclature for
pilot skills.

While I was at
Northrop, the ex-mil aviators on the payroll where definitely "white
collar".

A delusion only, as militry pilots are inherently blue collar and in the
times Ed pretends to recall were a majority physical education majors.
Definately neither educated as "white collar", or skilled as managers.

What the hell do you mean by "the times Ed pretends to recall"?

In the sixties, when I went to USAF pilot training and flew my first
combat tour, the "majority" of pilot candidates were graduates of
USAFA (fully one third of my training class came from AFA). All,
regardless of commission source were full four year college bachelor
degree, and most were engineering specialities.

In the seventies when I was directing the Air Training Command
Undergraduate Rated Assignments office, we kept stats on input,
success rates, causes of failures and output. More than 80% during
that decade were graduate engineers and nearly 30% already had
graduate degrees on UPT entry.

In the eighties when military pilot training input was drastically
reduced. By that time the engineering/physical science (that's not PE,
but phyics, chem, etc.) grads were approaching 100%. More candidates
than slots, means higher selectivity and arguably irrelevant selection
criteria.

Let me suggest that operating a $30 million dollar weapons system by
yourself, controlling not only the vehicle but the sensors,
communications, defensive systems, navigation, electronic
countermeasures, etc, all requiring total situational awareness and
split-second decision-making is indeed an exercise in management.

The engineers were more rumpled polyester double-knit, plaids
and stripes sort of Goodwill eclectic. Maybe it was because the SME
("Subject Matter Expert") category of employee got paid better than
the engineers.

I go with levis and a Pendelton, most of the time.

As to the subject matter expert, the cocktail aviation circuit is pretty
well dead today. Although Keithie did comment to me on several ocasions
where Northrop, or the governemnt, had promoted a secretary to such a
position; based mostly on her ability to tie a knot in a cherry stem with
her tongue. The project manager for B-1 flight test was of that extraction.


Your final comment is ridiculous and irrelevant. The aerospace
industry is competitive and very capital intensive. Research expenses
and development costs place it well beyond "cocktail aviation
circuits".

SMEs are the link between the industry and the customer. That's the
place where requirements are developed and operational solutions are
defined.

You want to go back, John, and describe your qualifications again?

On 20 Nov 2003 23:05:00 -0800, (sibersmith)
wrote:

Hey guys it's me again.

How big of a factor is GPA in getting a good aerospace job at a cool
company? The line "...Do good in school" is always given in advice
when I was growing up. To tell the truth I was holding a decent
3.3gpa untill I hit my math sequence at college. Now I have no more
'breeze' classes (history etc) to prop up my gpa and it's killing me.
I'm problobly around a 2.3 now.

This really bums me out. I went into Aerospace cause I wanted the job
of my dreams designing aircraft. Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser
that doesn't excell in math.

So how Important is a good GPA when looking for a job?

The truth hurts...
Don't bother filling out an application for Boeing. It will just go in
the recycle dumpster. You are down so low now even changing to a BA
will not help getting a job anywhere near aviation except as a guard
or working on the night cleanup crew - maybe.
How about an aviation tech school/line mechanic school or finish any
degree and go into the miitary? Or just jump in the military, Air
Force preferred, and get your head screwed on straight. In twenty
years I knew 5 people that made it from enlisted to officer. Well one
at least almost made officer. He turned down the commission because he
was already a SMSgt at 13 years and didn't want to start over at the
bottom again..

So how Important is a good GPA when looking for a job?

People who visit campuses to hire graduating seniors say they are very
interested in one's ability to speak and write well. My friends who
have worked in industry in scientific fields told me that young
engineers and scientists are judged by their reports. If the reports
are badly written, they make a poor impression.

So my advice to you is, learn to write better than you did when you
posted this query.

vince norris

"sibersmith" wrote in message
...
Hey guys it's me again.

How big of a factor is GPA in getting a good aerospace job at a cool
company? The line "...Do good in school" is always given in advice
when I was growing up. To tell the truth I was holding a decent
3.3gpa untill I hit my math sequence at college. Now I have no more
'breeze' classes (history etc) to prop up my gpa and it's killing me.
I'm problobly around a 2.3 now.

This really bums me out. I went into Aerospace cause I wanted the job
of my dreams designing aircraft. Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser
that doesn't excell in math.

So how Important is a good GPA when looking for a job?

Picture the scene: You are a recruiter for Boeing or Lockmart. In front of
you, you have a stack of 600 almost identical resumes, most of them using
the MS Word 'Resume' template. You have 5 positions to fill. Why would you
even bother with a 2.3GPA when the other 500 applications have a minimum
3.0? You can be as enthusiastic as you want, but with that number on, your
resume is going straight in the trash.

Frankly speaking, if you have a 2.3GPA you are not trying your hardest and
you know it. I suspect that, like me, you were one of the kids who coasted
through School on your native intelligence, and now the field has narrowed
you suddenly find that's not good enough. If you want your dream, pick your
ass up and start putting some serious work in instead of looking for
hand-holding on usenet.

Matt

I heard a radio news piece the other day that company recruiters are asking
about SAT scores to applicants 5, 10 even 15 years after college.

Les

"killfile" wrote in message
...
"sibersmith" wrote in message
...
Hey guys it's me again.

How big of a factor is GPA in getting a good aerospace job at a cool
company? The line "...Do good in school" is always given in advice
when I was growing up. To tell the truth I was holding a decent
3.3gpa untill I hit my math sequence at college. Now I have no more
'breeze' classes (history etc) to prop up my gpa and it's killing me.
I'm problobly around a 2.3 now.

This really bums me out. I went into Aerospace cause I wanted the job
of my dreams designing aircraft. Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser
that doesn't excell in math.

So how Important is a good GPA when looking for a job?

Picture the scene: You are a recruiter for Boeing or Lockmart. In front of
you, you have a stack of 600 almost identical resumes, most of them using
the MS Word 'Resume' template. You have 5 positions to fill. Why would you
even bother with a 2.3GPA when the other 500 applications have a minimum
3.0? You can be as enthusiastic as you want, but with that number on, your
resume is going straight in the trash.

Frankly speaking, if you have a 2.3GPA you are not trying your hardest and
you know it. I suspect that, like me, you were one of the kids who coasted
through School on your native intelligence, and now the field has narrowed
you suddenly find that's not good enough. If you want your dream, pick
your
ass up and start putting some serious work in instead of looking for
hand-holding on usenet.

Matt

If you are poor in math (and probably science as well) pack it in now and
switch to another major.
As it's obvious that you can't spell either other fields may be just as
tough.
Your command of English is also rotten:
"...Do good in school" ??? ('well' not not 'good)
Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser that doesn't excell in math.

"sibersmith" wrote in message
...
Hey guys it's me again.

How big of a factor is GPA in getting a good aerospace job at a cool
company? The line "...Do good in school" is always given in advice
when I was growing up. To tell the truth I was holding a decent
3.3gpa untill I hit my math sequence at college. Now I have no more
'breeze' classes (history etc) to prop up my gpa and it's killing me.
I'm problobly around a 2.3 now.

This really bums me out. I went into Aerospace cause I wanted the job
of my dreams designing aircraft. ....dirty minds! all around me!


So how Important is a good GPA when looking for a job?

"Not Nice Anymore" wrote:

If you are poor in math (and probably science as well) pack it in now and
switch to another major.
As it's obvious that you can't spell either other fields may be just as
tough.
Your command of English is also rotten:
"...Do good in school" ??? ('well' not not 'good)
Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser that doesn't excell in math.


The above post is pretty hilarious you know...

snortgaspsnickergroan

(...my poor ribs...)
--

-Gord.

"sibersmith" wrote...

How big of a factor is GPA in getting a good aerospace job at a cool
company? The line "...Do good in school" is always given in advice
when I was growing up. To tell the truth I was holding a decent
3.3gpa untill I hit my math sequence at college. Now I have no more
'breeze' classes (history etc) to prop up my gpa and it's killing me.
I'm problobly around a 2.3 now.

This really bums me out. I went into Aerospace cause I wanted the job
of my dreams designing aircraft. Nobodys gona hire a medocree looser
that doesn't excell in math.

You will be competing against grads with good GPAs from good schools, good GPAs
from "mediocre" schools, and people with mediocre GPAs from both schools. If
you have the mediocre GPA from a "mediocre" school, you're probably going to be
at the bottom of the heap, unless you have something else going for you to
compensate.

Besides, I don't want "a medocree looser that doesn't excell in math" designing
any airplane that I fly!