Pawnees powered by Motor fuel .

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
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What equipment is needed, and how does one test for
the presence of ethanol?


Some people claim that 1/4 of an Alka Selzer in the bottom of a coffee cup
works well - no fizz, no alcohol (or water)

It's come up, like, a million times over on R.A.Piloting

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Time for a hare-brained idea.

Get an above-ground, transparent tank. Before every
delivery, put in 10 gallons of water. Be sure it mixes
well with fuel during the delivery. Let sit overnight,
then drain the water. ;-)




At 22:13 21 January 2008, Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:
snip

Certainly the more alcohol we can use instead of imported
fossil is a
good thing. But there are some negatives associated
with ethanol
production and use as mogas. It likely is not the
magic bullet that
some believed. The effect of E20 on clean air is
strongly debated. One
*will* get fewer miles per gallon with higher ethanol
content. Just ask
someone who is burning E85, if you can find such a
person.

Like with diesel, people will learn to calculate what
matters to them,
whether that is $/mile CO2/mile, NOx/mile, or value
of their ADM
stock/mile ;-)
What I find specious is that corn ethanol has been
sold as a 'greener'
alternative to gasoline, when the data does not support
much if any net
improvement in CO2 emissions relative to gasoline.
It can improve US
energy independence, which may be more important in
the short/medium
term. The coal mines can not be good for ridge soaring
in the South
East though. :-(


Shawn

Nyal Williams wrote:
Time for a hare-brained idea.

Get an above-ground, transparent tank. Before every
delivery, put in 10 gallons of water. Be sure it mixes
well with fuel during the delivery. Let sit overnight,
then drain the water. ;-)

Save for the party after flying :-0

On Jan 20, 11:01*am, " wrote:
Our club in Indiana is looking for advice and / or experience in
converting Pawnee Tow planes to run on motor fuel. Any comments or
advice would be gratefully accepted .

Aside from all the other valuable technical expertise which has
been shared,

check your insurance policy. You may find that, FARs and STCs
notwithstanding, use of MOGAS may be prohibited by your coverage.

Best wishes,
Cindy B

"CindyB" wrote in message
...
On Jan 20, 11:01 am, " wrote:
Our club in Indiana is looking for advice and / or experience in
converting Pawnee Tow planes to run on motor fuel. Any comments or
advice would be gratefully accepted .

Aside from all the other valuable technical expertise which has
been shared,

check your insurance policy. You may find that, FARs and STCs
notwithstanding, use of MOGAS may be prohibited by your coverage.

Best wishes,
Cindy B

So, MOGAS is not really practical, safe or insurable and no other substitute
for 100LL is currently available or likely to be in the foreseeable future.

100LL requires TEL which is only made by one company in India. This
company's product is not primarily for use in airplane fuel but for those
few countries that still allow leaded automobile fuel - most of whose names
end in "stan". AVGAS uses only a tiny fraction of their production.
Globally, there seems to have been an accelerating move to eliminate TEL
from motor fuels. The latest to ban TEL is Uganda. The future looks grim
for the worlds sole TEL producer.

In the US and Canada there was a huge protest from auto racing organizations
who said they needed TEL for their high octane racing fuels. They lost
because the courts said that auto racing was a "hobby" whose need for TEL
did not offset the far greater risk to public health.

There is now a move afoot within the US EPA to characterize those remaining
non-turbine aircraft as "antique and hobby in nature". The environmental
lobby is submitting petitions claiming that the lead exemption for aviation
gasoline "has lasted long enough".

We need to be thinking of some alternatives.

Bill Daniels