Ammending logbooks

On Mar 13, 11:25*am, "Bob F." wrote:
Cross country distance definitions are different for different ratings.

True.

There is no general definition in time, direction, endurance or whatever for
cross country otherwise.

There's a general definition given by 61.13bi: "Cross-country time
means--Except as provided [below for specific ratings], time acquired
during flight: conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
conducted in an aircraft; that includes a landing at a point other
than the point of departure; and that involves the use of dead
reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other
navigation systems to navigate to the landing point."

*The ATP has NO definition for it. *

Sure it has. It's given by 61.13b3vi: "Cross-country time means--For
the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an
airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category
rating), time acquired during a flight: conducted in an appropriate
aircraft; that is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure; and that involves
the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio
aids, or other navigation systems."

I see no reference to those numbers. Can you state the publish date of this
reference.

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BobF.
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On Mar 13, 11:25 am, "Bob F." wrote:
Cross country distance definitions are different for different ratings.

True.

There is no general definition in time, direction, endurance or whatever
for
cross country otherwise.

There's a general definition given by 61.13bi: "Cross-country time
means--Except as provided [below for specific ratings], time acquired
during flight: conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
conducted in an aircraft; that includes a landing at a point other
than the point of departure; and that involves the use of dead
reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other
navigation systems to navigate to the landing point."

The ATP has NO definition for it.

Sure it has. It's given by 61.13b3vi: "Cross-country time means--For
the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an
airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category
rating), time acquired during a flight: conducted in an appropriate
aircraft; that is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure; and that involves
the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio
aids, or other navigation systems."

On Mar 16, 9:57*am, "Bob F." wrote:
I see no reference to those numbers. *Can you state the publish date of this
reference.

Oops, sorry, typo. That should have been 61.1b3, not 61.13b.

(I always use the government's online version to be sure I'm up-to-
date. Just google e-CFR.)



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On Mar 13, 11:25 am, "Bob F." wrote:

Cross country distance definitions are different for different ratings.

True.

There is no general definition in time, direction, endurance or whatever
for
cross country otherwise.

There's a general definition given by 61.13bi: "Cross-country time
means--Except as provided [below for specific ratings], time acquired
during flight: conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
conducted in an aircraft; that includes a landing at a point other
than the point of departure; and that involves the use of dead
reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other
navigation systems to navigate to the landing point."

The ATP has NO definition for it.

Sure it has. It's given by 61.13b3vi: "Cross-country time means--For
the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an
airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category
rating), time acquired during a flight: conducted in an appropriate
aircraft; that is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure; and that involves
the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio
aids, or other navigation systems."

Looks like it's there all right. There were significant changes in that
area of the regs in 2004 and I didn't notice them. That what happens when
you go inactive for a long period. But I don't see any changes in that
exact area so I don't know how long it's been there...looks like for a
while..So the bottom line is you guys have to observe the 50 nm rule for
your ATP.

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BobF.
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On Mar 16, 9:57 am, "Bob F." wrote:
I see no reference to those numbers. Can you state the publish date of
this
reference.

Oops, sorry, typo. That should have been 61.1b3, not 61.13b.

(I always use the government's online version to be sure I'm up-to-
date. Just google e-CFR.)



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On Mar 13, 11:25 am, "Bob F." wrote:

Cross country distance definitions are different for different ratings.

True.

There is no general definition in time, direction, endurance or whatever
for
cross country otherwise.

There's a general definition given by 61.13bi: "Cross-country time
means--Except as provided [below for specific ratings], time acquired
during flight: conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
conducted in an aircraft; that includes a landing at a point other
than the point of departure; and that involves the use of dead
reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other
navigation systems to navigate to the landing point."

The ATP has NO definition for it.

Sure it has. It's given by 61.13b3vi: "Cross-country time means--For
the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an
airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category
rating), time acquired during a flight: conducted in an appropriate
aircraft; that is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure; and that involves
the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio
aids, or other navigation systems."

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On Mar 13, 11:25*am, "Bob F." wrote:
Cross country distance definitions are different for different
ratings.

True.

There is no general definition in time, direction, endurance or
whatever f
or
cross country otherwise.

There's a general definition given by 61.13bi: "Cross-country time
means--Except as provided [below for specific ratings], time acquired
during flight: conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
conducted in an aircraft; that includes a landing at a point other
than the point of departure; and that involves the use of dead
reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other
navigation systems to navigate to the landing point."

*The ATP has NO definition for it. *

Sure it has. It's given by 61.13b3vi: "Cross-country time means--For
the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an
airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category
rating), time acquired during a flight: conducted in an appropriate
aircraft; that is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure; and that involves
the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio
aids, or other navigation systems."

I think that may be a relatively recent rule which may account for the
confusion. I seem to recall that most licences and ratings called for a
specific distance to be flown excepting the ATP. Maybe it was just the
135 requirement though. Can't remember and am beyond caring at this
juncture, though.


Bertie