Ercoupe

On Mar 9, 8:38 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote :



On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all,
but easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you
broke ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a
"spooky" little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast
for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew
the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

There's nothing to kick. It has a Brake pedal out of a 39 nash on the
floor and that's it.

Bertie

holy cow...

so you expect to side load?

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On Mar 9, 8:38 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running
the side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge
of the cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all,
but easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as
you broke ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron.
Sort of a "spooky" little airplane but it flew quite well and was
quite fast for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew
the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

There's nothing to kick. It has a Brake pedal out of a 39 nash on the
floor and that's it.

Bertie

holy cow...

so you expect to side load?

Yep, the gear was well able for it. A lot of people land everything like
this.


Bertie

On Mar 9, 8:46 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

so you expect to side load?

Yep, the gear was well able for it. A lot of people land everything like
this.

Bertie

Very true...

Dan wrote in news:a4415af9-1a64-432d-9961-7ac8559a56a4
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On Mar 9, 8:46 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

so you expect to side load?

Yep, the gear was well able for it. A lot of people land everything like
this.

Bertie

Very true...


I even saw an ex-super cub to be landed in a farily stif crosswind like
this. One can only wonder.

Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all, but
easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you broke
ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a "spooky"
little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

Aside: Maybe the Lufthansa FO learned in an Ercoupe?

Dan

Bertie called it right in his answer to this. It was the weirdest
feeling trust me. You eventually got used to it, but there really was
nothing under the panel on the floor except that stupid little brake
pedal. Some say they got some comfort out of pressing down on that brake
pedal during the last few feet in the flare. You crabbed it into the
wind and flew it onto the ground sometimes looking at the side of the
runway :-)) It kicked itself out ok. The gear was good and tough.

You land the F16 the same way BTW. You can't put a wing down in the
Viper and landing it in the crab is regular procedure. I never got used
to crab landings in the high performance airplanes that I flew. I always
had a tendency to want to lower that windward wing, usually doing that
just a bit anyway to ease the touchdown as much as possible.
Of course aircraft like the Viper have a rudder to help a bit with that.
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

On Mar 9, 9:04 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all, but
easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you broke
ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a "spooky"
little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

Aside: Maybe the Lufthansa FO learned in an Ercoupe?

Dan

Bertie called it right in his answer to this. It was the weirdest
feeling trust me. You eventually got used to it, but there really was
nothing under the panel on the floor except that stupid little brake
pedal. Some say they got some comfort out of pressing down on that brake
pedal during the last few feet in the flare. You crabbed it into the
wind and flew it onto the ground sometimes looking at the side of the
runway :-)) It kicked itself out ok. The gear was good and tough.

You land the F16 the same way BTW. You can't put a wing down in the
Viper and landing it in the crab is regular procedure. I never got used
to crab landings in the high performance airplanes that I flew. I always
had a tendency to want to lower that windward wing, usually doing that
just a bit anyway to ease the touchdown as much as possible.
Of course aircraft like the Viper have a rudder to help a bit with that.
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques


I'd imagine it was a sudden twist once the mains hit!

I remember watching B-52s land -- there was no way to do a wing low in
a Buff -- the wings were already hanging down even with the belly!

Looking back on the weather they used to fly in, they had brass ones,
those guys...

Dan

Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:04 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all, but
easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you broke
ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a "spooky"
little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast for its day.
The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew the Alon.
--
Dudley Henriques
Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?
Aside: Maybe the Lufthansa FO learned in an Ercoupe?
Dan
Bertie called it right in his answer to this. It was the weirdest
feeling trust me. You eventually got used to it, but there really was
nothing under the panel on the floor except that stupid little brake
pedal. Some say they got some comfort out of pressing down on that brake
pedal during the last few feet in the flare. You crabbed it into the
wind and flew it onto the ground sometimes looking at the side of the
runway :-)) It kicked itself out ok. The gear was good and tough.

You land the F16 the same way BTW. You can't put a wing down in the
Viper and landing it in the crab is regular procedure. I never got used
to crab landings in the high performance airplanes that I flew. I always
had a tendency to want to lower that windward wing, usually doing that
just a bit anyway to ease the touchdown as much as possible.
Of course aircraft like the Viper have a rudder to help a bit with that.
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques


I'd imagine it was a sudden twist once the mains hit!

I remember watching B-52s land -- there was no way to do a wing low in
a Buff -- the wings were already hanging down even with the belly!

Looking back on the weather they used to fly in, they had brass ones,
those guys...

Dan
The Buff has an ace in the hole. It has a crosswind gear that can be set
to align with the runway while the fuselage stays canted into the wind.
Watching one of those beasts land is a hoot :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:04 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all, but
easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you broke
ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a "spooky"
little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast for its day.
The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew the Alon.
--
Dudley Henriques
Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?
Aside: Maybe the Lufthansa FO learned in an Ercoupe?
Dan
Bertie called it right in his answer to this. It was the weirdest
feeling trust me. You eventually got used to it, but there really was
nothing under the panel on the floor except that stupid little brake
pedal. Some say they got some comfort out of pressing down on that brake
pedal during the last few feet in the flare. You crabbed it into the
wind and flew it onto the ground sometimes looking at the side of the
runway :-)) It kicked itself out ok. The gear was good and tough.

You land the F16 the same way BTW. You can't put a wing down in the
Viper and landing it in the crab is regular procedure. I never got used
to crab landings in the high performance airplanes that I flew. I always
had a tendency to want to lower that windward wing, usually doing that
just a bit anyway to ease the touchdown as much as possible.
Of course aircraft like the Viper have a rudder to help a bit with that.
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques


I'd imagine it was a sudden twist once the mains hit!

I remember watching B-52s land -- there was no way to do a wing low in
a Buff -- the wings were already hanging down even with the belly!

Looking back on the weather they used to fly in, they had brass ones,
those guys...

And gear that could be turned to align with the direction of travel...

Matt

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Dan wrote in
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On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running the
side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge of the
cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all,
but easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as you
broke ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort of a
"spooky" little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite fast
for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew
the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

There's nothing to kick. It has a Brake pedal out of a 39 nash on the
floor and that's it.


Bertie

One of my chapter members has been flying one forever, and looking in at
that little square mushroom sticking in the middle of the left half of the
floor is just a little unsettling. OTOH, watching the prop as he taxies
past, with the strange angle at which the engine is mounted is at least as
weird.

It does handle uneven ground quite well though.

Peter

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On Mar 9, 8:23 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I've flown the Ercoupe. Not much to it really. It was fun running
the side windows down and flying along with my arm out on the edge
of the cockpit sort of like in a car.
The landings were a bit different if you had any crosswind at all,
but easily doable in the crab. Take off was the same. As soon as
you broke ground, it weather vaned into the wind with aileron. Sort
of a "spooky" little airplane but it flew quite well and was quite
fast for its day.

The one I flew didn't have the later rudder capability. Never flew
the Alon.

--
Dudley Henriques

Are you supposed to kick out the crab or land crabbed?

There's nothing to kick. It has a Brake pedal out of a 39 nash on the
floor and that's it.


Bertie

One of my chapter members has been flying one forever, and looking in
at that little square mushroom sticking in the middle of the left half
of the floor is just a little unsettling. OTOH, watching the prop as
he taxies past, with the strange angle at which the engine is mounted
is at least as weird.

It does handle uneven ground quite well though.


Yeah, those mains are really hefty. The nosewheel has an unusual and
clever feature. There's a fairing on the lower scissors that Streamlines
the mosewheel strut when it's extended.

Someone, i think it was Joe Ott, modeled the thing for free flight in
the late thirties. It's a large FF model an amazingly close to scale.
Dihedral gear arrangement and all are fairly close. Probably the
tailplane has been enlarged but that's about it. Nowadays guys build
those old FF designs but often add some simple radio to keep them from
flying away.It's called "radio assist" The full size is a bit like that
when you think about it..


Bertie