ping Dan Thomas/weird crashes.

On Apr 1, 8:19 am, Dan wrote:
On Apr 1, 12:06 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



On Mar 31, 11:02 pm, "Private" wrote:

"Private" wrote in message

...

Piper Malibu down east of Edmonton 5 sob

FYI

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=h

http://discussions.flightaware.com/v...?p=47890#47890

http://www.aviation.ca/component/opt...temid,306/func...

Condolences to family & friends.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...80329/alta_pla...

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=n

This is news to me,http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...d=1c6483cc-309...

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).
For rate of descent, the power setting vs, KIAS gives
a fair good idea of the rate of descent.

That all works for a 1/2 ass pilot, however if the cabin
pressure had a slow leak, and the pilot slowly looses
mental faculties, (Bertie is a typical example), that
could lead to pilot confusion.
Ken

And the last time you flew partial panel in IMC was....?

I was blind-folded, and the instruments were in Brail.
That excersize was conducted at night in clouds with
total electrical failure. To play it safe I did an extended
flare over the numbers, that's because I had two dead
jet engines and had to dead stick without flaps, SOP.

How about you Dan?
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Mar 31, 11:02 pm, "Private" wrote:
"Private" wrote in message

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Piper Malibu down east of Edmonton 5 sob

FYI

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=h

http://discussions.flightaware.com/v...?p=47890#47890


http://www.aviation.ca/component/opt...temid,306/func
...

Condolences to family & friends.


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...80329/alta_pla.
..

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=n

This is news to me,
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...l?id=1c6483cc-
3097-
41ce-ad88-825a02ca8ec5

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).
For rate of descent, the power setting vs, KIAS gives
a fair good idea of the rate of descent.

That all works for a 1/2 ass pilot, however if the cabin
pressure had a slow leak, and the pilot slowly looses
mental faculties, (Bertie is a typical example), that
could lead to pilot confusion.


Bwawahwhha!

Like you need a lack of O2 for that.


Bertie

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote:

On Apr 1, 12:06 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:02 pm, "Private" wrote:



"Private" wrote in message

...

Piper Malibu down east of Edmonton 5 sob

FYI

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=h

http://discussions.flightaware.com/v...?p=47890#47890

http://www.aviation.ca/component/opt...temid,306/func...

Condolences to family & friends.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...80329/alta_pla...

http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&ta...577933&topic=n

This is news to me,http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...d=1c6483cc-309...

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).
For rate of descent, the power setting vs, KIAS gives
a fair good idea of the rate of descent.

That all works for a 1/2 ass pilot, however if the cabin
pressure had a slow leak, and the pilot slowly looses
mental faculties, (Bertie is a typical example), that
could lead to pilot confusion.
Ken

And the last time you flew partial panel in IMC was....?

Jesus, what an idiot you are. *PLONK*
--
Dr. Robert Bear, MD, FRCPC
American Board of Internal Medicine & Nephrology Certification
Telephone 780-407-7239; Fax 780-407-7771

On Apr 1, 10:06 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).

Neither the heading indicator nor the altimeter will keep you
upright. The turn coordinator and ASI are for that. The magnetic
compass is useless during a turn, as you *should* know.

Dan (whose IFR rating lapsed eight years ago already. Too busy
fixing airplanes for other people. Where does the time go?)

On Apr 1, 4:12 pm, wrote:
On Apr 1, 10:06 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).

Neither the heading indicator nor the altimeter will keep you
upright. The turn coordinator and ASI are for that. The magnetic
compass is useless during a turn, as you *should* know.

LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:


LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.

Lindberg flew in IMC?

I suggest a trip back to Google and Wikipedia to research the mail
pilots in Jenny's who flew into IMC with only a compass.

On Apr 2, 8:59 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:

LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.

Lindberg flew in IMC?

I suggest a trip back to Google and Wikipedia to research the mail
pilots in Jenny's who flew into IMC with only a compass.

Back to the incident, my point is one can do IFR
with a compass and a barometer, I learned that
for IFR. Of course it's easier now, with radio.
Lindbergh was NORDO.
IIRC correctly he did careful navigation, reset his
altimeter relative to sea level, and did some stellar
and solar navigation to reset his magnetic compass.

I thought every IFR pilot knew how to do that.
Why the evident "spiral dive" ?
Ken

On Apr 2, 11:53 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

Back to the incident, my point is one can do IFR
with a compass and a barometer, I learned that
for IFR. Of course it's easier now, with radio.
Lindbergh was NORDO.
IIRC correctly he did careful navigation, reset his
altimeter relative to sea level, and did some stellar
and solar navigation to reset his magnetic compass.

I thought every IFR pilot knew how to do that.
Why the evident "spiral dive" ?
Ken

You cannot do IFR with just a compass and barometer. You DID
NOT learn to do that. The compass, because of lead/lag and northerly
turning errors, will not indicate accurately in anything but steady,
straight-ahead flight. In a coordinated turn it will stay level inside
its case and cannot be used for bank or pitch information. It will
swim all over the place during turns, acceleration deceleration.
Barometers are sticky and wholly inadequate for accurate altitude.
Just being inside an aircraft cabin, whose pressure can be
substantially different from that outside due to leaks in the
fuselage, will make it read falsely. Inside a pressurized cabin it's
useless, of course.
Anyone who follows nothing more than a whiskey compass and a
barometer in IMC is going to die real soon.

Dan

On Apr 2, 11:53 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:59 am, B A R R Y wrote:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:

LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.

Lindberg flew in IMC?

I suggest a trip back to Google and Wikipedia to research the mail
pilots in Jenny's who flew into IMC with only a compass.

Back to the incident, my point is one can do IFR
with a compass and a barometer, I learned that
for IFR. Of course it's easier now, with radio.
Lindbergh was NORDO.
IIRC correctly he did careful navigation, reset his
altimeter relative to sea level, and did some stellar
and solar navigation to reset his magnetic compass.

I thought every IFR pilot knew how to do that.
Why the evident "spiral dive" ?
Ken

Better read this:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=kDkh...=en#PP A87,M1

Dan

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:959da395-a5ab-
:

On Apr 1, 4:12 pm, wrote:
On Apr 1, 10:06 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

So in IFR in dense cloud, the AH starts going funny,
one still x-checks against the heading indicator and
the altimeter/rate of descent.
Finally there's the magnetic compass that is fool-
proof, (not idiot proof-Bertie couldn't find it ;-).

Neither the heading indicator nor the altimeter will keep you
upright. The turn coordinator and ASI are for that. The magnetic
compass is useless during a turn, as you *should* know.

LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.


An altitude indicator?

And Lindbergh had a gyro you fukking moron.



Bertie