USAF F-16 Instructor Discusses Flying Into MOAs

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:54:34 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Since the complaints were filed less than fifteen days after the incidents
occurred I don't see why it matters.

Can you cite a source for that assertion?


Of course. My source is the AvWeb report on this incident that you made
users of this forum aware of when you posted the link on April 4th.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._197487-1.html

The AvWeb report is dated March 30th, it says the incidents occurred on
March 21st. Since the complaints were filed within nine days of the
incidents occurrence I fail to see why the facility's normal tape retention
period is fifteen days or 45 days makes any difference.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:13:34 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:54:34 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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Since the complaints were filed less than fifteen days after the incidents
occurred I don't see why it matters.

Can you cite a source for that assertion?


Of course. My source is the AvWeb report on this incident that you made
users of this forum aware of when you posted the link on April 4th.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._197487-1.html

The AvWeb report is dated March 30th, it says the incidents occurred on
March 21st. Since the complaints were filed within nine days of the
incidents occurrence I fail to see why the facility's normal tape retention
period is fifteen days or 45 days makes any difference.


Thanks. That's good news. That information should be releasable
under FOIA, unlike the USAF flight recorder data.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Thanks. That's good news. That information should be releasable
under FOIA, unlike the USAF flight recorder data.


That's news to you? You posted the link to that article in the message that
started this thread. Perhaps you should read what you post.

On Apr 22, 8:39*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:51:23 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder

From what the AF has said and say they have tapes to back up there was
no violation of the FARs.

The Pilatus pilot disagrees. *The investigation will reveal more.

It is interesting that two pilot reported the same thing from (I
assume) the same F-16. Maybe one pilot was dropping acid at the time
but not likely two.

-Robert

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:47:42 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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Perhaps you should read what you post.

I read, and post, a lot of things. I don't always infer all the fine
points.

In the same vein, why did you state that the tapes are normally
retained for 45 days when you knew it was not pertinent to this
discussion?

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
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On Apr 22, 8:39*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:51:23 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder

From what the AF has said and say they have tapes to back up there was
no violation of the FARs.

The Pilatus pilot disagrees. *The investigation will reveal more.

It is interesting that two pilot reported the same thing from (I
assume) the same F-16.

Yes. As I recall one of the GA pilots mentioned 10' separation, and
the other 20'. The AF has secret tapes, but I doubt they'll reveal
the separation distance. I wonder if the FAA radar tapes are able to
resolve 600' separation as the AF claims.

It will be interesting to see how the investigation plays out.

Maybe one pilot was dropping acid at the time but not likely two.


More likely, the AF pilot(s) were high on government issued
amphetamines at the time. Perhaps colonel James "Viperdoc" Ninomiya
MD can shed some light on the likelihood of that.

On Apr 22, 10:38*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"

More likely, the AF pilot(s) were high on government issued
amphetamines at the time. *Perhaps colonel James "Viperdoc" Ninomiya
MD can shed some light on the likelihood of that.

In the Navy it as green "go" and red "stop" pills. Green before a long
late flight, red after you get back and need to sleep. The Navy has
publically defended these pills.

-Robert

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:47:42 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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Perhaps you should read what you post.

I read, and post, a lot of things. I don't always infer all the fine
points.

In the same vein, why did you state that the tapes are normally
retained for 45 days when you knew it was not pertinent to this
discussion?


Because you said tapes were retained for 15 days. Had you read what you
posted you'd have known THAT was not pertinent to this discussion.

Gig 601Xl Builder writes:

From what the AF has said and say they have tapes to back up there was
no violation of the FARs.

I'll believe that when the AF releases the tapes.

Robert M. Gary writes:

In the Navy it as green "go" and red "stop" pills. Green before a long
late flight, red after you get back and need to sleep. The Navy has
publically defended these pills.

I can understand them in wartime, but not peacetime.