Moderated List

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.

Hey, I'll do it.


Bertie

gregvk wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.

Hey, I'll do it.


Bertie

I'll get you started with The Rules.

Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
an automated information system.


I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything that
starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.


Bertie

"author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP address"

I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.

Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information so they
won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?




"gregvk" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:fvfm2v$shp$9
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

gregvk wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost more
than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision to draft
an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to require a
full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship evenhandedness
and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.

Hey, I'll do it.


Bertie

I'll get you started with The Rules.

Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
an automated information system.


I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything that
starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.


Bertie

Rule #2 - An article will not be approved for posting unless the header
contain's the author's full name, residential address, telephone number,
and IP address. Posting false or unverifiable information is both
bannable
and prosecutable as fraud.

"Bill Denton" wrote in
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"author's full name, residential address, telephone number, and IP
address"

I'm sure there is a spammer's database out there somewhere.

Why don't you just go ahead and send them all of that information so
they won't have to waste time crawling newsgroups to get it?





Now that's thinking outside the box.


Bertie

gregvk wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:fvfm2v$shp$9
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

gregvk wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:fvfkio$shp$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Denny, Denny, Denny.... A moderated newsgroup is going to cost
more than mere money. It's going to require someone with vision
to draft an acceptable charter, but more difficult, it's going to
require a full-time moderator or group thereof whose censorship
evenhandedness and impartiality are acceptable to the readership.

Hey, I'll do it.


Bertie

I'll get you started with The Rules.

Rule #1 - Discussing moderation is forbidden because it just makes
people get upset. Those who discuss moderation will be banned from
Usenet for at least 6 months. Anyone who attempts to circumvent the
ban will be reported to the authorities and prosecuted for misuse of
an automated information system.


I was just gonna kick out peopel who flew cherokess, but anything
that starts an argument is good , so your idea flies.


Bertie

Rule #2 - An article will not be approved for posting unless the
header contain's the author's full name, residential address,
telephone number, and IP address. Posting false or unverifiable
information is both bannable and prosecutable as fraud.


Oh this is Larry's kinda group...


Bertie

On 02 May 2008 18:14:00 GMT, gregvk wrote in
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On 02 May 2008 18:14:00 GMT, gregvk wrote in
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.kooks


alt.fan.larry-dighera.netkop.netkop.netkop added

On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:57:05 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote in :

... There is a formal process to create a newsgroup under the big-8. You
can read about it he
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/big-eight.html

The first line of that FAQ notes that it is now obsolete.

There is a slightly revised--but still complex--system
that has taken its place:

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php

You may have to try this twice to get the page--it times
out on me pretty regularly.

... Basically, there needs
to be formal discussion that complies with the guidelines, and a vote.

True.

The vote is now by an eight-member board. That sidesteps
some problems but causes others.

Personally, I prefer to accept the noise if means avoiding censorship.

I have served as a moderator for 10 years and I do not
view what we do as "censorship." YMMV.

Having said that, I know full well that moderation produces
a very different kind of group and that it does not cure all
ills.

In any event, any public display of frustration, perplexity, or
against (as is implicit in this message thread) only serves to
reinforce the behavior of those whose only purpose is to be
ignominiously disruptive.

Well then, you've just violated your own rule. ;o)

The most successful attack against the trolls is passive and
necessarily limited to being only two pronged:

1. Do not respond to them, nor show dismay, nor outrage.
2. Post ON-TOPIC articles to increase the newsgroup's
signal-to-noise ratio.

I back that strategy. If I had known in 1998 what I know
now, I probably would not have volunteered to act as a
moderator. Live and learn.

Obligatory rec.aviation.piloting content: ...

It is virtually impossible for any newsgroup not to talk
about the health of the newsgroup from time to time. Using
consistent subject lines will help people decide whether
they want to read the thread or not. So I'm not going to
tack on anything about my most recent adventures in
General Aviation (they aren't all that recent).

Marty
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Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*
See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

Denny writes:

We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
this group...
I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Moderated lists almost invariably die a slow death. Moderation is censorship
and is never very popular, and moderation is a very difficult and
time-consuming job that most people cannot handle. Lots of people want to
have the authority of moderators, but virtually none want the responsibility
or the ethical obligations.

That is why virtually all newsgroups on USENET are unmoderated.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Denny writes:

We need to find or create a moderated list for the pilots who follow
this group...
I'm willing to even kick in a few bucks to make it happen...

Moderated lists almost invariably die a slow death. Moderation is
censorship and is never very popular, and moderation is a very
difficult and time-consuming job that most people cannot handle. Lots
of people want to have the authority of moderators, but virtually none
want the responsibility or the ethical obligations.

That is why virtually all newsgroups on USENET are unmoderated.


Moderation keeps morons like you out. You are nothing but a liar. Every
time you claim to have flown, you lie. You do NOT fly. You're a total
fraud. You don't know **** from shinola about aviation.