Diesel in a homebuilt?

"Lou" wrote ...
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was
going to plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel
would one put in?


What about the Light Sport Aircraft from InDus (???).
I think it's called a Thorpedo(???).
Memory says they flew one into Sun N Fun with a British made diesel
installed. They plan to market it outside the USA.
Go to ByDanJohnson dot com, he usually has the latest LSA stuff on his site.

Lou schreef:
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

Elaborating on earlier replies:

I know of two English designs, both aircraft-specific, both two-stroke:
see www.wilksch.com or www.dair.co.uk
Both are very rare, I never met one except on the maker's demo-planes.
I suspect their pricing is a bit prohibitive.
Also I seem to remember a third English design but have no details.

A couple of car conversions are flying in France, see one at
http://membres.lycos.fr/dieselis (in French only, regrettably)
and another at http://gazaile2.nmr7.free.fr/
both seem to suffer from engine weight.

In Germany, Thielert markets a heavily modified Mercedes diesel,
but this aiming at bigger planes. This engine powers the DA-40
and DA-42, highly successful in Europe these days.

And I once met a guy in Belgium who adapts Subaru petrol engines
mainly for autogyro use, I hope for the day he sets to work
on the Subaru diesel.

On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:50:16 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote:

Lou schreef:
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

Elaborating on earlier replies:

I know of two English designs, both aircraft-specific, both two-stroke:
see www.wilksch.com or www.dair.co.uk
Both are very rare, I never met one except on the maker's demo-planes.
I suspect their pricing is a bit prohibitive.
Also I seem to remember a third English design but have no details.

A couple of car conversions are flying in France, see one at
http://membres.lycos.fr/dieselis (in French only, regrettably)
and another at http://gazaile2.nmr7.free.fr/
both seem to suffer from engine weight.

In Germany, Thielert markets a heavily modified Mercedes diesel,
but this aiming at bigger planes. This engine powers the DA-40
and DA-42, highly successful in Europe these days.

And I once met a guy in Belgium who adapts Subaru petrol engines
mainly for autogyro use, I hope for the day he sets to work
on the Subaru diesel.

Thielert just went bankrupt from what I heard last week.
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:50:16 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote:

Lou schreef:
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

Elaborating on earlier replies:

I know of two English designs, both aircraft-specific, both two-stroke:
see www.wilksch.com or www.dair.co.uk
Both are very rare, I never met one except on the maker's demo-planes.
I suspect their pricing is a bit prohibitive.
Also I seem to remember a third English design but have no details.

A couple of car conversions are flying in France, see one at
http://membres.lycos.fr/dieselis (in French only, regrettably)
and another at http://gazaile2.nmr7.free.fr/
both seem to suffer from engine weight.

In Germany, Thielert markets a heavily modified Mercedes diesel,
but this aiming at bigger planes. This engine powers the DA-40
and DA-42, highly successful in Europe these days.

And I once met a guy in Belgium who adapts Subaru petrol engines
mainly for autogyro use, I hope for the day he sets to work
on the Subaru diesel.

Thielert just went bankrupt from what I heard last week.

True, as also reported on AvWeb, but...

I am obviously a slow learner, becuase it has taken me a bit more that a
half century to learn that "bankrupt", like the term "scape goat" from the
old testament, does not necessarily mean what we have been conditioned to
first presume. I really know less than nothing about German law, but in the
US "bankrupt" can mean just about anything from "they're toast" to "the
accountants require a further audit before proceding". To my eye, as a
layman, the story in AvWeb looked more like they just demanded a further
audit.

I am glad that I don't have any money, or scheduled production, at stake;
especially since any presumption that I might make would have little basis
in fact.

Peter

Peter Dohm wrote:

I am obviously a slow learner, becuase it has taken me a bit more that a
half century to learn that "bankrupt", like the term "scape goat" from the
old testament, does not necessarily mean what we have been conditioned to
first presume. I really know less than nothing about German law, but in the
US "bankrupt" can mean just about anything from "they're toast" to "the
accountants require a further audit before proceding". To my eye, as a
layman, the story in AvWeb looked more like they just demanded a further
audit.

I am glad that I don't have any money, or scheduled production, at stake;
especially since any presumption that I might make would have little basis
in fact.

Peter


Essentially when the legal troubles broke regarding their creative
accounting, the note holders on their loans/bonds called their share
back in (demanded immediate payment).

The company isn't in a position to do that, so it goes in default.. So
you can have a good product, with an otherwise good company, get screwed
over by a few bad apples and place the company in receivership.

I would think the folks who hold the interest in the company could
replace the management and keep on trucking...

Im hoping thats not just wishful thinking.
Dave

Dave S schreef:
Peter Dohm wrote:

I am obviously a slow learner, becuase it has taken me a bit more that
a half century to learn that "bankrupt", like the term "scape goat"
from the old testament, does not necessarily mean what we have been
conditioned to first presume. I really know less than nothing about
German law, but in the US "bankrupt" can mean just about anything from
"they're toast" to "the accountants require a further audit before
proceding". To my eye, as a layman, the story in AvWeb looked more
like they just demanded a further audit.

I am glad that I don't have any money, or scheduled production, at
stake; especially since any presumption that I might make would have
little basis in fact.

Peter


Essentially when the legal troubles broke regarding their creative
accounting, the note holders on their loans/bonds called their share
back in (demanded immediate payment).

The company isn't in a position to do that, so it goes in default.. So
you can have a good product, with an otherwise good company, get screwed
over by a few bad apples and place the company in receivership.

I would think the folks who hold the interest in the company could
replace the management and keep on trucking...

Im hoping thats not just wishful thinking.
Dave

from ther website www.thielert.de
literal copy & paste
The publication of the annual report will be postponed due to the fact
that the annual financial statements for the years 2003, 2004 and 2005
are probably incorrect and possibly void.
/copy

Sounds like creative accountancy indeed.
The product is bound to be allright.
Detail: Thielert is apparently a holding company
(Thielert AG) with several subsidiaries.
The aviation subsidiary Thielert Aircraft Engines
was reported failing April 24th, parent company
Thielert AG went into receivership April 30th.

Lou wrote:

Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?

Diesel, yes but automotive conversion are at the heavy side.

Some homebuilt wilksch equiped are in progress in France. I know one
Murphy Rebel.

Smaller, the GazAile II but you can't find the small engine outside of
Europe.

Delta hawk V4 if you want bigger is the alternate choice.



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"Lou" wrote in message
...
Not that I plan to do this but I was wondering, if one was going to
plan to install a diesel in a homebuilt, what diesel would one put
in?
Lou

FWIW, I'm heading down to the hangar this morning to work on a 10 liter
Cummins 360HP 2100RPM aviation turbo diesel. Of course, we leave the
engine on the ground while using it to launch gliders.