Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
on 25 Mar 2004 22:16:30 GMT,
BUFDRVR attempted to say .....

...and if he had, it would be in his records (which have already been
released), clearly and unequivocally.

Since it is not, it's hogwash.

Why would an ANG unit, in the old Air Defense Command, have a SIOP
comitment?

I think the storys hogwash from that agle.


They may have had the old Genie rockets ?

IIRC the F-101's here "may" have had them at one point.

Nah, his unit was never active as an interceptor unit with the F-101; purely
a training role. Its last alert duties were performed in the Deuce.

Brooks


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In article ,
on Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:59:07 -0500,
Kevin Brooks attempted to say .....


"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
on 25 Mar 2004 22:16:30 GMT,
BUFDRVR attempted to say .....

...and if he had, it would be in his records (which have already been
released), clearly and unequivocally.

Since it is not, it's hogwash.

Why would an ANG unit, in the old Air Defense Command, have a SIOP
comitment?

I think the storys hogwash from that agle.


They may have had the old Genie rockets ?

IIRC the F-101's here "may" have had them at one point.

Nah, his unit was never active as an interceptor unit with the F-101; purely
a training role. Its last alert duties were performed in the Deuce.



I thought the F102's were wired for Geine also ?


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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:

"Mondo Washington"??? Sounds like well-respected establishment
media....

Here's a new twist to the George W. Bush AWOL mystery, in which almost
no one remembers him fulfilling his duties with the Alabama National
Guard. According to an investigation by the Spokane, Washington,
Spokesman-Review, Bush may have been involuntarily removed from being
a pilot due to little-known Human Reliability Regulations. These were
rules to screen out military personnel for mental, physical, and
emotional fitness before letting them handle nuclear weapons and
delivery systems. The regulations affected thousands of pilots and
were used to suspend two Washington State pilots on suspicion of drug
use, although in the end both men received honorable discharges.
snip

Lemme see, first this is "little known Human Reliability Regulations"
and then "The regulations affected thousands of pilots..." Seems like
those thousands might jeopardize the little known aspect.

Then, can we consider that the period in question had the Alabama
Guard tranistioning from the F-84 to the RF-4C, a reconnaisance
platform which, although it had a nuclear capability--the wiring was
installed to the centerline and one wing station,--was never used by
the USAF or Guard in that capacity.

HRP (the Human Reliability Program) was common knowledge to all
personnel on active duty. Record of removal from HRP would be clear
and prominent in the medical records of anyone effected.

The government's reaction to questions about the human reliability
regs merits attention. The White House gave no comment to a
Spokesman-Review reporter, referring questions to the Defense
Department. The National Guard Bureau, now run by a Bush pick from
Texas, said it was under orders not to discuss the story.

Excuse me, "a Bush pick from Texas"? Would that be Lt. Gen. Daniel
James? The son of General Chappie James, Tuskegee airman and noted
wing-man of Robin Olds in the building of the 8th TFW "Wolf-Pack"?
Doesn't sound like some sort of "Bush pick" to cover an issue or repay
a political debt to me.

The bureau's
chief historian also told the Spokane paper he was under orders not to
discuss the topic. The freedom of information officer at the bureau
said her people stopped taking requests on Bush's military service
last month and now refer all questions regarding it to the Pentagon.

Duh, does it seem controversial that the "historian" wouldn't be
speaking to the press? It is standard procedure in all military
headquarters that only certain senior office holders have "release
authority" for official statements and documents. In any large
bureaucracy you can't have every individual speaking officially or
signing documents that establish policy. Nothing unusual there either.

Seems to me that as fewer and fewer Americans have any experience in
the service of their country's military that it becomes increasingly
possible to mislead, misrepresent and confuse issues with innuendo and
misinformation.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

HRP (the Human Reliability Program) was common knowledge to all
personnel on active duty. Record of removal from HRP would be clear
and prominent in the medical records of anyone effected.

Was it anything like the PRP -- Personnel Reliability Program?

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "John R
Weiss" confessed the following:


Was it anything like the PRP -- Personnel Reliability Program?

Yes sir...same deal.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:12:02 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote...

HRP (the Human Reliability Program) was common knowledge to all
personnel on active duty. Record of removal from HRP would be clear
and prominent in the medical records of anyone effected.

Was it anything like the PRP -- Personnel Reliability Program?

Or as we used to joke, Possibly Radiated Personnel. Those grass
covered igloos at Dyess were quite amusing, especially when they moved
anything and the lights they turned on to do it were clearly visible a
for a few miles through town, not really much of a secrecy factor.

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"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, somebody
confessed the following:

Bush may have been involuntarily removed from being
a pilot due to little-known Human Reliability Regulations. These were
rules to screen out military personnel for mental, physical, and
emotional fitness before letting them handle nuclear weapons and
delivery systems. The regulations affected thousands of pilots and
were used to suspend two Washington State pilots on suspicion of drug
use, although in the end both men received honorable discharges.

Easy retort...if your unit doesn't have a mission requiring the use of
nuclear weapons, you don't play the HRP (later called PRP) game.
Fighter squadrons that were/are strictly conventional weapons units
don't bother with HRP...training units don't bother with HRP/PRP.

So...no nuclear mission in the TX ANG, no HRP in the TX ANG. This
really is a non-starter.

Juvat

Even the liberal media has gotten bored with the Demmirats AWOL lies and
dropped it. Now the Liberal media whores are trying to prop up the lying
Scumbag Clarke & his sham book. That will fizzle out soon too just like
Paul O'Neials book did a few months back.

In article ,
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:

Here's a new twist to the George W. Bush AWOL mystery, in which almost
no one remembers him fulfilling his duties with the Alabama National
Guard. According to an investigation by the Spokane, Washington,
Spokesman-Review, Bush may have been involuntarily removed from being
a pilot due to little-known Human Reliability Regulations. These were
rules to screen out military personnel for mental, physical, and
emotional fitness before letting them handle nuclear weapons and
delivery systems. The regulations affected thousands of pilots and
were used to suspend two Washington State pilots on suspicion of drug
use, although in the end both men received honorable discharges.
snip

The government's reaction to questions about the human reliability
regs merits attention. The White House gave no comment to a
Spokesman-Review reporter, referring questions to the Defense
Department. The National Guard Bureau, now run by a Bush pick from
Texas, said it was under orders not to discuss the story. The bureau's
chief historian also told the Spokane paper he was under orders not to
discuss the topic. The freedom of information officer at the bureau
said her people stopped taking requests on Bush's military service
last month and now refer all questions regarding it to the Pentagon.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/mondo2.php


No -- it is a much simpler answer. Since AL ANG was transitioning from
RF-84Fs to RF-4s, they would, naturally, place their most senior pilots
(Capt's, Maj's, Lt col's, etc) ahead of a lowly short timer Lt (he had
only a short remaining duty obligation) transferring in from Texas.

As I understand it, the RF-4 checkout program was several months long.
The AL ANG simply didn't want to use their resources on him.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:

Here's a new twist to the George W. Bush AWOL mystery, in which almost
no one remembers him fulfilling his duties with the Alabama National
Guard. According to an investigation by the Spokane, Washington,
Spokesman-Review, Bush may have been involuntarily removed from being
a pilot due to little-known Human Reliability Regulations. These were
rules to screen out military personnel for mental, physical, and
emotional fitness before letting them handle nuclear weapons and
delivery systems. The regulations affected thousands of pilots and
were used to suspend two Washington State pilots on suspicion of drug
use, although in the end both men received honorable discharges.
snip

The government's reaction to questions about the human reliability
regs merits attention. The White House gave no comment to a
Spokesman-Review reporter, referring questions to the Defense
Department. The National Guard Bureau, now run by a Bush pick from
Texas, said it was under orders not to discuss the story. The bureau's
chief historian also told the Spokane paper he was under orders not to
discuss the topic. The freedom of information officer at the bureau
said her people stopped taking requests on Bush's military service
last month and now refer all questions regarding it to the Pentagon.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/mondo2.php


No -- it is a much simpler answer. Since AL ANG was transitioning from
RF-84Fs to RF-4s, they would, naturally, place their most senior pilots
(Capt's, Maj's, Lt col's, etc) ahead of a lowly short timer Lt (he had
only a short remaining duty obligation) transferring in from Texas.

As I understand it, the RF-4 checkout program was several months long.
The AL ANG simply didn't want to use their resources on him.

Actually, he was only performing split training assemblies with them (or
more accurately, "equivalent training"); his request to transfer to another
unit had been turned down. His own unit had just become an operational
conversion/training unit (first for the F-102, then for both the F-102 and
F-101, and then for the F-101 exclusively for a number of years), and given
the number of higher-hour pilots then leaving the active component, one can
understand why they were not chomping at the bit to retain the flying
services of then 1LT Bush.

Kind of funny that some folks are still trying to make that dog hunt--this
was a non-issue four years ago, and it remains a non-issue today. Maybe we
will next hear where the esteemed Mr. Clark now recollects the *truth*
behind Bush's service record (well, that is as soon as Clark can determine
exactly what he wants *that* particular "truth" to look like, based upon his
evident skills at fabrication).

Brooks