Instructor Effectiveness

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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This is true, and addresses the respect issue. On the quality of
instruction issue, it's incumbent on the instructor to see that this step
is never necessary.

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Dudley Henriques


I think Dudley is on the right track. I too have thousands of hours of
instruction given and have never said a profane word to a student. I don't
remember seeing this tactic in the Flight Instructor Handbook. I think this
goes beyond instructing and indicates character on the part of the
instructor. One also has to remember that you are representing the
profession. It's not a question of effectiveness. It's a question of doing
the right thing.

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Regards, Bob F.

a wrote:
[snip]

The other alternative for a student is much more effective: "You're
fired." It is not used enough,not just with CFIs but with MDs and
others

Oh yes, I've done that. I walked into a physician's office once (referral
for dermatology issue) who immediately introduced himself as
"hello darlin', I'm Doctor xxx"

At which point, I replied, "Hello Fred (not his real first name), I'm
Doctor YYY". Needless to say, he was rather taken aback and all of
a sudden I'm no longer "darlin'"

Not only did he not correctly diagnose the problem, what he did
prescribe was ineffective (turns out I'm allergic to lanolin which
means wool and just about every lotion out there).

As for swearing, there's probably very little I haven't heard, since
my professional career has been mostly aerospace/aviation with a
healthy dose of field geologists. On the other hand, I truly believe
that if you can't discuss someone's heritage, parentage and destination
in your native language (or other of choice) without resorting to
single syllabic words, you really don't have a good command of the
language. For those who didn't read it in high school, go find a copy
of Cyrano de Bergerac and check out the party scene (early in the
book). That's how to insult someone.

And Rocky - concerning the other CFIs who get "mentioned" on evals
for swearing...it's all based on personality. You obviously can get
away with it.

And remember folks, Rocky's dealing with Type A+ personalities in the
military. These are "super bad dudes" in the privacy of the locker room
and outside, Gentlemen (the males) by act of congress.

I've taught at the Navy PostGrad school - in class, the aviators are
the most gracious. At the parties, after a few beers, defintely different.

Blanche wrote
And remember folks, Rocky's dealing with Type A+ personalities in the
military. These are "super bad dudes" in the privacy of the locker
room and outside, Gentlemen (the males) by act of congress.

Why bless you "Darlin'", I've never really thought of myself in those
terms. You've given me a whole new image of myself.
Can't wait to tell the grandkids....

Bob Moore
Naval Aviator 15753
25 SEP 1959

"Blanche" wrote ...
And remember folks, Rocky's dealing with Type A+ personalities
in the military. These are "super bad dudes" in the privacy of the
locker room and outside, Gentlemen (the males) by act of congress.

"Gentlemen by Act of Congress"

Wow, what a great snipit of wisdom for wall at the BAQ.

Thanks.

buttman wrote:
On Sep 12, 2:01 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
Ongoing discussion regarding different techniques. Do we do it with a
touchy feely softly spoken and oh my gosh thats just fine.....
Or do we do it with a harsh what in hell was that all about?
Who did you learn the most from and what was the drill?
Of course there is a different perspective from a civilian learning to
get over the fear of heights or unusual attitudes (as opposed to the
normal of right side up on the highway) and a military student pilot
who is going to be exposed to getting shot in the ass with a rocket
out in the field when they go operational.
What has been most effective for you? The teacher who spent time
explaining what you were trying to learn and how it works, or the one
who just demanded you do the syllabus? How much time did you have to
spend one on one? Or did you even get that opportunity?
Did you have to learn under pressure or did you have the luxury of a
year or two to get to step one? Was it even important to you to get to
step one or two? What was the motivation? Was it for personal
satisfaction? Was it because of familial pressure?
Lots of factors to consider that impact instructor effectiveness.and
student learning.
Should be interesting to discuss.
Ol S&B
CFII/RAM AIGI - Original CFI in 1967

I have noticed that students typically want to be good pilots. They
know when they've made a bad landing, and they are willing to look at
themselves critically to improve their skill. If the student makes a
bad landing, they don't need me there pounding it into their head
constantly. If I were to do that, all I'm doing is making them more
frustrated, which is making it harder for them to focus and learn.

Also, I think sometimes people confuse "strictness" with "harshness".
You can still hold high standards and strive for perfection without
being harsh or rude. A lot of less experienced instructors will say to
themselves "I want to be an instructor that holds high standards", so
they'll go out and just constantly bitch at anything and everything
the student does thats less than perfect. Some students will react
like "Oh wow I really need to turn it up here", while other students
(in my opinion, most students), will respond with "this guy has
problems, I wish he would just shut up"

Good post and good input Butts.

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Dudley Henriques

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:01:09 -0700 (PDT), Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:

Lots of factors to consider that impact instructor effectiveness.and
student learning.

The best instructors tailor their temperament to the student and the
situation.

Hi,

In article ,
Ol Shy & wrote:
Who did you learn the most from and what was the drill?

I think it's very dependant on the type of personality you are. I learned at
a Flying Club where all the instructors were basically volunteers. As a
result, throughout my training I had something like 7 or 8 instructors, all
with differing style.

Personally, I found that I learned more from the instructors that let me
make my mistakes, and allowed me to realise I'd made them and have to learn
from them myself.

I had one instructor that took me on my first Nav flight. Every time I got 1
degree off course, or 100 feet off altitude, or 1 knot off airspeed, she
would point it out to me and force me to correct it instantly. To my mind, I
learned little from that, because there wouldn't be someone doing the same
in the cockpit once I'd qualified.

Another instructor (who I completed my training and I found incredibly
beneficial) would let me make the mistakes. One I remember in particular was
rejoining the circuit at my home base (military field). I made the call to
enter the zone, then called joining Right Base, and was asked to report
final.

In the UK, the military 'final' is a curving turn that starts at around the
same point as the base leg would start on a standard rectangular circuit. I
got all the way down to about 300 feet before the lady on ATC called

"G-ABCD, you *are* now cleared to land, try not to forget to report final in
future"

I looked over to my instructor and she was grinning away, she said:

"I was wondering when you were going to notice!"

I definitely didn't forget again!

I think what I'm trying to say, is that different people will require a
different style of intruction. The mark of a *good* instructor is
recognising the style the student needs, and tailoring their instruction
accordingly.

Andy

Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:

What has been most effective for you?


I like the "ruler across the knuckles" approach. If you don't have a
ruler handy, a kneeboard across the back of the head works just as good.
:-)

Frank Olson wrote in
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I like the "ruler across the knuckles" approach. If you don't
have a ruler handy, a kneeboard across the back of the head works
just as good.

You woulda made a great nun :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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John Godwin wrote:
Frank Olson wrote in
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I like the "ruler across the knuckles" approach. If you don't
have a ruler handy, a kneeboard across the back of the head works
just as good.

You woulda made a great nun :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Funny you should say that. My first brush into compressibility was the
day Sister Paskillina caught me smoking in the boys bathroom between
classes at St. Aloysius Academy and laid that long hickory pointing
stick with the little rubber tip down across my outstretched palm.
I can still hear that "whoooooooooosh" !!!!!!
:-))))

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Dudley Henriques