GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

(Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in
om:

Do you ever read a newspaper?

The Birkenstock Times in your case.

--
"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into
two camps - the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue
and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to
our enemies and kill them before they kill us."
--The Hon. Zell Miller

On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force
his priests to see the world as it really is!

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
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"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ!

Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you.

Do you ever read a newspaper?

Yes. That has nothing whatever to do with this, tinman. The claim was
unsupported.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

That's rotten leadership from the top down.

Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody.
The deaths were officially ruled to be homicides. That was two
years ago and the DOD remains silent on the 'investigation'.
There were reports of two other incidents in Afghanistan in which
Civilian Prisoners were beaten by US troops, again, no word from
the Pentagon.

The difference between those incidents and the instant case is
photographs.

If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really
think Calley would ever have been prosecuted?

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of our troops in the field
are good men and women and would not take part in such crimes.
Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging
incidents such as these.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
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"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.

-*MORT*-

On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
. com...
"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the
same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep
for 4 days.

It's attitudes like yours that CAUSE terrorist attacks. Hopefully
you'll be in the next building or on the next bridge that gets blown
up. Say hi to Satan for me on your way.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:


"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
. com...
"Yardpilot" wrote in message
news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02...

Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for
doing crap like this.

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

It's not not good.

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the
same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep
for 4 days.

Let's see you support your claim, for a change.

On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt"

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Not by accepted definitions of torture.

Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway.
People will tell you anything to stop the pain.

However, psychological techniques do work very well, though
slower. First, cut people away from their support system and
deprive them of sleep. Always keep them off balance and insecure
about their status, where they are and evn about time.

In the case of "Shame-based" cultures, make people do
"forbidden things" to cut down their psychological defenses. Sound
familiar ? -- remember, Japanese soldiers in WW2 who were captured
even involuntarily tended to be very cooperative. Give captives an
aggressor to identify with. Maybe a little "good cop", bad cop"
thrown in. Eventually, they will be putty....

Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you
reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process,
which does no physical harm?

PHP

Peter H Proctor wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote:

"Fred the Red Shirt"

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.

Not by accepted definitions of torture.

Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway.
People will tell you anything to stop the pain.

However, psychological techniques do work very well, though
slower.

You make a good argument. But can you show evidence to support it?

Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you
reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process,
which does no physical harm?


If so, you have a criminal attitude.

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FF

"Morton Davis" wrote in message news:XGblc.11724$IG1.386923@attbi_s04...

In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at
Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced
into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the
same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured.


Not by accepted definitions of torture.


Accepted by whom?

Aside from which, you seem to be missing the point.

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FF