Airpower: India threatens US air superiority

In article jbnDc.186536$Ly.72@attbi_s01,
"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP" wrote:

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
(Karen Gordon) wrote:

K): Would that be the 'superior U.S. airforce' that has killed thousands
f innocent civilians and allies in its various invasions of other
:countries?
:--
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""
: You don't have to fool all the people all of the time;
: you just have to fool enough to get elected. - G. Barzan
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""

And they've obviously found one fool up in the Frozen North.

Are the overwhelming majority of Canadians really this mentally
challenged, or it is just the ones that post here?

These days it seems to be most of them.

Note that the original poster stated "... has killed thousands of innocent
civilians..." without providing some kind of evidence?

That's her normal mode of operation: drive-by poster.

No follow-up responses.

"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP" wrote in message news:jbnDc.186536$Ly.72@attbi_s01...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
(Karen Gordon) wrote:

K): Would that be the 'superior U.S. airforce' that has killed thousands
f innocent civilians and allies in its various invasions of other
:countries?
:--
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""
: You don't have to fool all the people all of the time;
: you just have to fool enough to get elected. - G. Barzan
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""

And they've obviously found one fool up in the Frozen North.

Are the overwhelming majority of Canadians really this mentally
challenged, or it is just the ones that post here?

These days it seems to be most of them.

Note that the original poster stated "... has killed thousands of innocent
civilians..." without providing some kind of evidence? Since the
unpleasantness in VietNam, IIRC, the USAF has done an admirable job of
avoiding civilian casualties. The recent exercise in Iraq showed beyond
question how precision munitions could limit civilian casualties. To date,
I've seen no evidence that civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan
number more than a few hundred, if that many.

You must have not been looking then. The death toll has easily crossed
10,000. Western media reported Iraqi civilian casualties alone crossed
thousand dead in the first month of the invasion itself. The US
authority has been careful not to officially keep a count of civilian
casualties in Iraq - unless ofcourse they are "contractors".

Just google 'iraq civilian casualties'. But why bother? They were just
wogs.

Secondarily, the original
poster mentions "various invasions of other countries" without detailing
which countries he is referencing. If the OP is referring to Afghanistan and
Iraq, he might almost have a good argument. As it is, since we have no real
idea what he's talking about, he's killfile material.

"Tuollaf43" wrote in message
m...
"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP" wrote in message
news:jbnDc.186536$Ly.72@attbi_s01...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
(Karen Gordon) wrote:

K): Would that be the 'superior U.S. airforce' that has killed
thousands
f innocent civilians and allies in its various invasions of other
:countries?
:--
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""
: You don't have to fool all the people all of the time;
: you just have to fool enough to get elected. - G. Barzan
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""

And they've obviously found one fool up in the Frozen North.

Are the overwhelming majority of Canadians really this mentally
challenged, or it is just the ones that post here?

These days it seems to be most of them.

Note that the original poster stated "... has killed thousands of
innocent
civilians..." without providing some kind of evidence? Since the
unpleasantness in VietNam, IIRC, the USAF has done an admirable job of
avoiding civilian casualties. The recent exercise in Iraq showed beyond
question how precision munitions could limit civilian casualties. To
date,
I've seen no evidence that civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan
number more than a few hundred, if that many.

You must have not been looking then. The death toll has easily crossed
10,000. Western media reported Iraqi civilian casualties alone crossed
thousand dead in the first month of the invasion itself. The US
authority has been careful not to officially keep a count of civilian
casualties in Iraq - unless ofcourse they are "contractors".

Just google 'iraq civilian casualties'. But why bother? They were just
wogs.

Google it and what you find is a whole bunch of unsubstantiated accusations
with little or no proof to back them up.

"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP" wrote in message news:5RLDc.107143$Hg2.21338@attbi_s04...
"Tuollaf43" wrote in message
m...
"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP" wrote in message
news:jbnDc.186536$Ly.72@attbi_s01...
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
(Karen Gordon) wrote:

K): Would that be the 'superior U.S. airforce' that has killed
thousands
f innocent civilians and allies in its various invasions of other
:countries?
:--
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""
: You don't have to fool all the people all of the time;
: you just have to fool enough to get elected. - G. Barzan
: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""

And they've obviously found one fool up in the Frozen North.

Are the overwhelming majority of Canadians really this mentally
challenged, or it is just the ones that post here?

These days it seems to be most of them.

Note that the original poster stated "... has killed thousands of
innocent
civilians..." without providing some kind of evidence? Since the
unpleasantness in VietNam, IIRC, the USAF has done an admirable job of
avoiding civilian casualties. The recent exercise in Iraq showed beyond
question how precision munitions could limit civilian casualties. To
date,
I've seen no evidence that civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan
number more than a few hundred, if that many.

You must have not been looking then. The death toll has easily crossed
10,000. Western media reported Iraqi civilian casualties alone crossed
thousand dead in the first month of the invasion itself. The US
authority has been careful not to officially keep a count of civilian
casualties in Iraq - unless ofcourse they are "contractors".

Just google 'iraq civilian casualties'. But why bother? They were just
wogs.

Google it and what you find is a whole bunch of unsubstantiated accusations
with little or no proof to back them up.

1. Well if you are the paranoid sort who believes the whole western
media (including mainstream US media houses) are out to do the US in,
I'm afraid I cant help you. You can continue to killfile all those who
disagree with you - I am sure that knowning that you wont read their
posts will shatter them.
2. Lack of proof and unsubstantiated accusations didnt dampen US ardor
to go to war did it, eh?

E. Barry Bruyea wrote in message ...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:58:07 -0600, Bryan Heit
wrote:

E. Barry Bruyea wrote:

Notwithstanding the fact that operating in a non-hostile environment
is a hell of a lot different that in a 'real' war; something Indian
pilots have little or no experience. In every actual air war in which
the U.S. has been involved, they have always come out on top.



You pay much attention to thw world? India has a lot of experience with
war, be it the three "formal" wars with Pakistan, their ongoing conflict
within Kashmir, or their ongoing conflict with China over their northern
boarder. Indian pilots probably have as near, if not as much, combat
experience as their US counterparts.

Bryan

Those wars were primarily ground wars; neither side committed much
airpower to the conflicts.


Really? Go to www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/index.html .

Nele

NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA

E. Barry Bruyea wrote in message ...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:39:54 -0400, Tim
wrote:

E. Barry Bruyea wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:37:18 GMT, "L'acrobat"
wrote:



"Yeoman" wrote in message
le.com...



Hornburg said the exercise shows the need for some new Air Force
fighters, particularly the F/A-22 Raptor, which is intended to replace
the F-15C. But critics deride the aircraft as too expensive and built
to counter a threat that hasn't existed since the Soviet Union
collapsed.


A cynic would suggest that the entire point of the exercise (for the
USAF)
was to make sure that the F-15s did not win convincingly, allowing the
USAF
to push the F-22.



Notwithstanding the fact that operating in a non-hostile environment
is a hell of a lot different that in a 'real' war; something Indian
pilots have little or no experience. In every actual air war in which
the U.S. has been involved, they have always come out on top.


Who have they actually fought with since W.W.II?


Well, they kicked hell out of Russian, Chinese and N. Korean pilots in
Korea with a kill rate of about 8 to 1 and had roughly the same kill
rate against Russian & Chinese pilots in Vietnam. Saddam wouldn't
even commit his Air Force in the first Gulf War.


Oh, Lord! Have You ever heard about "Honchos"? Go to www.acig.org , select
"journals" then "honchos". If You want objective point of view of Russians
in Korea, of course.

Top Gun is a nice movie, but it is only that-the movie.

Nele

NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA

If you count phone centers you can. The Indians also do a lot of
analyzing of US CAT scan data and similar things. Some might consider
looking at a CAT scan to be performing a service. Its certainly not
manufacturing.

Indians do much more than analyzing CAT scan data.
There is no way born Americans can compete with Indians.Currently
38% of Medical Doctors in US is either Indian or Indo-American
36% of NASA employees are Indians
34%of MS employees are for example from the India.
CEOs of many US companies are from India.
Either jobs will go to India or Indians will come here to take the jobs

Pick your choice.

Indians do much more than analyzing CAT scan data.
There is no way born Americans can compete with Indians.Currently
38% of Medical Doctors in US is either Indian or Indo-American
36% of NASA employees are Indians
34%of MS employees are for example from the India.
CEOs of many US companies are from India.
Either jobs will go to India or Indians will come here to take the jobs

Good lord, I see you're still as deluded as ever.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
If you count phone centers you can. The Indians also do a lot of
analyzing of US CAT scan data and similar things. Some might consider
looking at a CAT scan to be performing a service. Its certainly not
manufacturing.

Indians do much more than analyzing CAT scan data.
There is no way born Americans can compete with Indians.Currently
38% of Medical Doctors in US is either Indian or Indo-American
36% of NASA employees are Indians
34%of MS employees are for example from the India.
CEOs of many US companies are from India.
Either jobs will go to India or Indians will come here to take the jobs

Pick your choice.

You Indians are never going to get anywhere until you learn to speak and
write good English! ;-)

You Indians are never going to get anywhere until you learn to speak and
write good English! ;-)



Every time you drink a Pepsi ,one of the many fortune 500 companies run by
Indians, or visit your doctor think about Indians.
Heck,if I were President I would expand H1b visa categories to include
Presidents,Politicians and Generals.
Apparently US needs to import much more than medical doctors ,scientists and
other high tech professionals.