Paid $50.00 to fill my gas tank this morning.

"Tamas Feher" wrote:
Why would a cheap subsonic jet trainer need an expensive
low-volatility fuel (JP7) typically associated with the SR-71?

Typically? Airliners used to use the JP7 up until it was banned for
being hazardous.

Airliners don't use JP7.

Rumor says some african countries still sell it at
their airports.

I doubt that any african country even has the required facilities to even
produce JP7.

In article ,
"Tamas Feher" wrote:

NO OIL COMPANY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

Gee Art; if we went to Iraq to steal their oil as you an
LooneyTunes claim, gas should be $0.29 a gallon by now.

It would be, but the patriotic insurgents blow up the iraqi pipelines
every now and then and kill the collaborants.

Actually, even at maximum current production levels, Iraq just can't
produce that much oil. It will take them at least a decade, at best,
before they can produce enough oil to make a big dent in world oil
prices.

It's funny how many people have *no* idea of how production and prices
interact, or how much oil some countries could realistically produce.

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

Typhoon502 wrote:

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..

But if he needs a $50 bill to fill his tank, obviously he is driven a
vehicle that would have been considered a gas-guzzler even in those
innocent days. I got 20 mpg in 1952; I get 30 mpg today, so the cost
of driving has actually been halved, where gasoline is concerned. Art
must be getting 10 mpg. Serves him right, say I.

Geez, no kidding. What the heck are you driving in that's got a 22+
gallon tank? What do you NEED it for? Are you hauling lots of
supplies or something? What's your mileage? Why don't you justify
your need for a vehicle of a size and consumption that you've got that
big a fuel tank.


It's to haul his ego around.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
NO OIL COMPANY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.


What did you do after the war, sniff glue?

--
Scott

"I don't need to know very much about you or your ideas to know that if you
think Michael Moore is just great, a truth-teller and a much-needed tonic
for everything that is wrong in American life, you are not someone to take
seriously about anything of political consequence, or you are French. But I
repeat myself." - Jonah Goldberg

(ArtKramr) wrote:
NO OIL COMPANY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

How about taking the bus three days a week like I've been
doing for the past year ? It's not convenient, but I do it anyway.
I can't believe you'd complain about the price of all that gas you're
burning for your own convenience. You're *retired* Art, you have the
experience to understand this stuff by now. It's not a conspiracy, if
25% of the people used economical cars, the unleaded gasoline supply
would be overflowing in two weeks. Huge supply. Prices fall as soon
afterward as the commodities traders on the stock exchange will it.
Consume less, pay less.






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"John S. Shinal" wrote in message
...
(ArtKramr) wrote:
NO OIL COMPANY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.

How about taking the bus three days a week like I've been
doing for the past year ? It's not convenient, but I do it anyway.
I can't believe you'd complain about the price of all that gas you're
burning for your own convenience. You're *retired* Art, you have the
experience to understand this stuff by now. It's not a conspiracy, if
25% of the people used economical cars, the unleaded gasoline supply
would be overflowing in two weeks. Huge supply. Prices fall as soon
afterward as the commodities traders on the stock exchange will it.
Consume less, pay less.


True BUT the USA is NOT the only oil user on the planet.
The simple fact is that the world demand for oil is rising
and the supply isnt keeping pace. Some of that demand
is definitely from the USA but Asian demand is rising
rapidly, especially in China where private automobile
ownership has jumped from pretty much zero to 10 million
in a few years.

Given that the Chinese are planning to manufacture 10 million
cars a year by 2010 the simple fact is that the days of cheap
gasoline are over.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote:
True BUT the USA is NOT the only oil user on the planet.
The simple fact is that the world demand for oil is rising
and the supply isnt keeping pace. Some of that demand
is definitely from the USA but Asian demand is rising
rapidly, especially in China where private automobile
ownership has jumped from pretty much zero to 10 million
in a few years.

Given that the Chinese are planning to manufacture 10 million
cars a year by 2010 the simple fact is that the days of cheap
gasoline are over.

I've heard there is a blooming love affair between the Chinese
and personal automobiles.

Add into that the growth of industrialization in the
developing world (to whatever degree you want to estimate), it adds to
the consumer energy requirements as considered globally. Even remotely
meeting that demand will be a huge challenge - I've seen compelling
estimates that even building lots of fission reactors couldn't keep up
with the demand for more than a hundred years or so.





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"Tamas Feher" wrote in message
...
It's $2.03 / gal at the little independent station on Decatur by VGT.
You
can see some guys L-39 from the station.

FYIF, the czech L-39 Albatros is jet powered, thus it runs on kerosene
(or JP7).
I wasn't saying you used 87 octane in the thing. I was saying you could see
a nice plane from that gas station as you fuel up the car. The gas station
is right next to some hangers and aircraft tiedowns and the L-39 is tied
down in perfect view of the gas station. Decatur Ave in Las Vegas crosses
Rancho Blvd and dead ends at First Flight Aviation. Next to First flight are
these hangers and the spot where the L 39 is tied down. The gas station is
on the corner of Decatur and Rancho.


TC

Keith Willshaw wrote:

Given that the Chinese are planning to manufacture 10 million
cars a year by 2010 the simple fact is that the days of cheap
gasoline are over.

The Greens should be delighted.

"High" gas prices are the only thing that will really spur
alternative energy development. Out of the pain of a wallet
smacking at the gas pump will come electric cars, fuel cells,
synthetic fuels, or perhaps maybe just more domestic oil
supply.

The real concern is what happens politically as China attempts
to find its own, controlled sources of oil?

F-22s/F-35s/Eurofighters against Chinese developed MiGs over
the Spratleys (assuming there is actually any oil there)?


SMH

Stephen Harding wrote:


"High" gas prices are the only thing that will really spur
alternative energy development. Out of the pain of a wallet
smacking at the gas pump will come electric cars, fuel cells,
synthetic fuels, or perhaps maybe just more domestic oil
supply.



It doesn't seem to have worked in other technologically advanced
countries, some of which have manufactured synthetic fuels and
lubricants in the past to meet wartime needs and have used electric
delivery vehicles for generations, and which can only dream of fuel
prices as low as North American ones are now.


Dave