Pilot's Political Orientation

Dan,

Look up Tarver on Google. He is a long time troll who never bothers to back
up any of his arguments except with rambling non-sensical "statements of
fact". Give it up.

Michael


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:
Another lie.

I have science on my side

Another lie.

and no reason to lie.

Then apparently it's just your nature.

Try posting there again. If what you just said is the truth,
you should get little or no response.

I cross post to talk.origins every few months. It
is a kook bin full of retards spewing 150 year old
dog breeder science and an ocasional qualified
biologist. The biologist usually admits that there are
big problems with Darwin's "Origin of Species",
but "it demonstrates how one thing might
replace another". Although demonstrating a
concept has value, theaching religion as science is
not the way to do it.

More lies. You're afraid.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:uQWgc.161786$gA5.1908220@attbi_s03...
"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:
Another lie.

I have science on my side

Another lie.

and no reason to lie.

Then apparently it's just your nature.

Try posting there again. If what you just said is the truth,
you should get little or no response.

I cross post to talk.origins every few months. It
is a kook bin full of retards spewing 150 year old
dog breeder science and an ocasional qualified
biologist. The biologist usually admits that there are
big problems with Darwin's "Origin of Species",
but "it demonstrates how one thing might
replace another". Although demonstrating a
concept has value, theaching religion as science is
not the way to do it.

More lies. You're afraid.
Dan,

Look up Tarver on Google.

You will find an archive troll which has been largely ineffective. There
was a second archive troll, but the paradox in that one has been revealed.

He is a long time troll who never bothers to back
up any of his arguments except with rambling non-sensical "statements of
fact". Give it up.

I have provided Dan with enough information to do his own google search. It
doesn't really matter to me whether Dan has an interest in the scientific
truth of the matter, or not. Jay Gould spent a number of years trying to
reconcile the hard physical Geological evidence through a notional
hypothesis similar to Darwin's, except Gould's rapid evolution might have
happened; while Darwin's evolution into a new species slowly over a long
period of time is false.

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Few of us will
change our minds, unless we have no convictions to start with.

You don't change your mind when someone offers a better
explanation/argument?

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Few of us will
change our minds, unless we have no convictions to start with.

You don't change your mind when someone offers a better
explanation/argument?


Sadly, most people do not.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Few of us will
change our minds, unless we have no convictions to start with.

You don't change your mind when someone offers a better
explanation/argument?


Sadly, most people do not.

Quite...it is the ability to differentiate such things that they use to call
"Wisdom".

Tom
--
"Wisdom is the integration of Knowledge." -- Thought to be attributed to
Aristotle

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
om...
I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Few of us will
change our minds, unless we have no convictions to start with.

You don't change your mind when someone offers a better
explanation/argument?


Sadly, most people do not.

Obviously true, since they still vote for Democrats. :-)

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
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I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Few of us
will
change our minds, unless we have no convictions to start with.

You don't change your mind when someone offers a better
explanation/argument?


Sadly, most people do not.

Obviously true, since they still vote for Democrats. :-)

Problem is the Republican's actions belie their arguments.

"Michael 182" wrote:
Dan,

Look up Tarver on Google. He is a long time troll who never:
bothers to back up any of his arguments except with rambling
non-sensical "statements of fact".

I know, I know. Hell, *everyone* knows Tarver is the dizziest loon on
usenet.

Give it up.

I guess I'll have to; he's gun-shy now. I sure did want to see him get
shredded on talk.origins again, though; it's pure entertainment.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

Problem is the Republican's actions belie their arguments.

More than anything else, this is what I find so annoying. Color me
conservative, I'd like to vote that way. Unfortunately, nobody is giving
me that choice.

At this point, I'd have to vote Democrat because all they want is my money.
I'd rather give that then the rights the Republicans are trying to take.

Frustrating!

- Andrew

"darwin smith" wrote in message
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Joe Young wrote:

Tell me Rich...why does anyone other than her parents need to tell her

anything?

That's a good question. In an ideal world, parents would be
knowledgable about the
facts of life and comfortable talking about them with their kids. They
would be home
whenever the kids were home, and they'd make sure they knew where their
kids were
when the kids went out with friends. Life would be perfect, and there
would never be
an abortion.


I never stated life would always be perfect, but just because a mistake was
made doesn't mean we should offer up murder as a way to "fix" the problem.
You seem to assert that since life isn't "ideal" we should just accept a
couple of million abortions in this country every year.


Unfortunately, I happen to live in the real world. This world contains
entirely too
many single parent families, often families where the sole parent has to
work two jobs
just to keep food on the table. This world also contains thousands of
"latch-key" kids
who come home to an empty house, with the parents not expected to be
home for
another three or four hours. In the remaining families, many parents are
completely
uncomfortable with the idea of sex. The "talk" consists of the parents
stammering and
stuttering, and finally saying something like "here's a book, ask your
mother if you have
any questions, and don't do it."

So in your mind ol' Joe lunchbucket doesn't do it "right", so your going to
appoint someone who does. Or... life is just too complicted for everyone so
let's just relieve them of the most significant responsibilites they will
incur in their lifetime.... their kids. As long as we keep lowering our
expectations, we will always acheive exactly those low expectations...or
less... Carried to the extreme...why don't we just tell them to do what
ever feels good because there really isn't any consequenses? Here are your
condoms (let me know if you need more)... there is your local abortionist is
that fails... an oh by the way...what ever you do... don't get invovled with
you local church. You know they really are a bunch of zealots that want to
control your body in addition to your mind...

It would be nice if every parent accepted their responsibilities like
you suggest, but
until that happens someone needs to step in and fill the gap. Right now,
it isn't happening.

That someone should not be a government employee backed by politically
charged rhetoric and social agendas. It is NOT the state's place to be
doling out reproductive advice, and it is definately not the state's place
to be doling out murder disguised as family planning. This bullsh!t failed
in the Soviet Union, it is failing in Cuba, it is failing in North Korea, it
is failing in most of Europe. Centralized planning has never worked in any
society, yet we have a bunch of pointy-nosed intelectuals, and
smarter-than-thou do-gooders that want to keep hoisting it on the American
populus....Why? Is power really that intoxicating?

We have been dumbing down, and lowering our social expectations since the
1960's... To your point, it is not working. Why don't we try raising
expectations? I know that probably sound like a mean old conservative
tactic, but it just might work...