Why GA is Dying

There is a bit of "Jim Crow" in many of these laws. In
Kansas it costs $150 to apply for a permit, non-refundable,
for a 4 year period and $110 for a renewal. Mandatory
training will cost anywhere from $100 to several hundred
depending on just how much actual shooting is done. Why Jim
Crow? Only 'good" people will have the money to spend on a
license. Of course if you're a disabled vet, just old and
retired, or black, the high fee is intended to keep you in
line.

Some states issue a permit for less than $10. Alaska has
permits, but doesn't require a permit to carry. Vermont
doesn't require a permit, you just have to carry for some
legal purpose, they don't even offer a permit.

It does say "shall not be infringed" but as my sig note
says, that is seen as a challenge. THEY know I have a gun
because I bought a hunting license 50 years ago and I have
purchased some guns from dealers. And I've written and
published for many years, even got published in COMBAT
HANDGUNS.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Grumman-581" wrote
in message
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| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:27:20 -0500, Emily

| wrote:
| Hey, I'm *totally* fine with people owning guns. I'd
own one myself if
| I hadn't just bought a house, car, and checkout in a
Seneca. What I'm
| not ok with is someone *knowing* that I own a gun.
|
| Awh, come on... This is Texas... It's assumed that
*eveyone* owns a
| gun anyway... Although I keep most of my guns locked up in
a 1600 lb
| gun safe, there's always at least one that I have with me
or *very*
| close to me... If I'm asleep, it's on the nightstand... My
dog wakes
| me up when something comes around that I might need to
kill...
|
| I don't want to be killed in my house by my own gun.
|
| You would rather be killed by one of your kitchen knives?
That's
| probably more statically likely...
|
| And with cc permit info out there for everyone, it would
| be very easy to find those people.
|
| But a significant portion of the gun owners do not get a
CHL for
| whatever reason... Some because they only hunt with their
firearms or
| go to the range... Some because they do not believe that
the
| government has a right to restrict their 2nd Amendment
rights... If we
| didn't have a CHL here in Texas, I would still carry...
|
| Because let's face it, it's hard for a woman to conceal
a firearm in
| Texas in the summer.
|
| And it is easier for a guy???
|
| Women are expected to be carrying purses... The best us
guys can do is
| carry it in a fanny pack... Yeah, there are some
briefcases that have
| conceals compartments, but you can't carry them around
with you
| *everywhere*... I'm able to carry an 11-shot .45 around in
a fanny
| pack that is not so large that it screams "CARRYING"...
Not exactly
| something that I could do with a typical M1911 type of
..45...

Have you seen a 32 Seacamp?



"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Grumman-581 wrote:
| snip
|
| Women are expected to be carrying purses...
|
| That's what everyone says until they see the size of my
purse. TINY.

Some states do publish such lists, probably to raise another
obstacle to getting a permit.



--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Morgans" wrote in message
news |
| "Grumman-581"
wrote in message
| ...
| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:09:50 -0500, Emily

| wrote:
| And still...if I own a gun, I don't want criminals
knowing. That makes
| you a target.
|
| I must disagree... Criminals are going to go after easy
targets... If
| there is a greater chance that they might get killed by
their intended
| target, they will go elsewhere... It's all a risk and
reward type of
| scenario... Pretty much the same reason cops go after
speeders vs real
| criminals -- low risk, good money vs high risk and
expending money for
| trial and incarceration...
|
| Even a bigger factor is the likelihood that a crook is
going to take the
| time to look up and see if a potential victim has a gun
registered. Is it
| even possible to look up information like that?
| --
| Jim in NC
|

Depends on the law, Kansas doesn't allow public access to
personal information, some states do.

I wonder why those states don't publish lists of young women
living alone?


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Morgans wrote:
| "Grumman-581"
wrote in message
| ...
| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:09:50 -0500, Emily

| wrote:
| And still...if I own a gun, I don't want criminals
knowing. That makes
| you a target.
| I must disagree... Criminals are going to go after easy
targets... If
| there is a greater chance that they might get killed by
their intended
| target, they will go elsewhere... It's all a risk and
reward type of
| scenario... Pretty much the same reason cops go after
speeders vs real
| criminals -- low risk, good money vs high risk and
expending money for
| trial and incarceration...
|
| Even a bigger factor is the likelihood that a crook is
going to take the
| time to look up and see if a potential victim has a gun
registered. Is it
| even possible to look up information like that?
|
| FOIA request.

Interesting fact... Between the 1930 and 1960s, airline
pilots were required to carry a gun to protect the mail.
The mailman carried a bag with a holster inside. Then LBJ's
postmaster took the guns away from the mailman and thus the
gun ceased to be required for the pilot. While pilots were
armed, several hijacking attempts were stopped. At the post
office, no worker "went postal" until after the policy
changed and the workers did not have weapons.

Gun free zones and workplaces equal unarmed victims, easy
targets.



--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| Good policy, deny the means to possibly save your life,
but
| be generous with the benefits after you're dead.
|
| Well, technically they only bury you if you die outside
the US.
|
| And I think the no gun thing has to do with the airport
more than the
| company. Or maybe not. They are a huge corporation and
have huge
| issues with liability. I honestly love my company, it's a
great place
| to work, and most people would back me up on that.
|
| And since in my state, you can't have a gun where alcohol
sales make up
| a certain amount of revenue, it's a moot point.
|

"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
Morgans wrote:
"Grumman-581" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:09:50 -0500, Emily
wrote:
And still...if I own a gun, I don't want criminals knowing. That
makes
you a target.
I must disagree... Criminals are going to go after easy targets... If
there is a greater chance that they might get killed by their intended
target, they will go elsewhere... It's all a risk and reward type of
scenario... Pretty much the same reason cops go after speeders vs real
criminals -- low risk, good money vs high risk and expending money for
trial and incarceration...

Even a bigger factor is the likelihood that a crook is going to take the
time to look up and see if a potential victim has a gun registered. Is
it
even possible to look up information like that?

FOIA request.

That only works for a request for one individual person, right? If so, why
do you think a crook would want to single out you?
--
Jim in NC

"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
Grumman-581 wrote:
snip

Women are expected to be carrying purses...

That's what everyone says until they see the size of my purse. TINY.

Purses are cheap. Get as bigger one.
--
Jim in NC

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:53 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:
Would you like a few? I'd be happy to send some down your way! :-)

Feel free, our gators have been getting rather hungry of late...

http://grumman581.googlepages.com/gators-gotta-eat-too

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:44:37 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:
Even a bigger factor is the likelihood that a crook is going to take the
time to look up and see if a potential victim has a gun registered. Is it
even possible to look up information like that?

Nope, there is no way for that to happen... In some states, it is
possible to see if a person has a CHL, but there is a significant
number of people who own firearms but do not have a CHL... There is
also a pretty good number of people who have bought their firearms
from others and as such, there is no paper trail whatsoever on the
firearms... This is as it should be, of course... The government has
no business knowing who might own a gun... Registration leads to
confiscation...

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:36 -0500, Emily
wrote:
And since in my state, you can't have a gun where alcohol sales make up
a certain amount of revenue, it's a moot point.

It's 51%... Not a problem in most cases unless you are going to a
place that is primarily a bar... Just having a bar in a restaurant is
unlikely to exceed the 51% rule... Of primary importance here though
is that for a problem to occur, they will need to know that you have a
gun... If you keep it concealed like you are *supposed* to, they won't
ever know... If you do not have it concealed, it better be for a
situation in which your life is threatened, and if so, at that time,
do you really care what some liberal ass politician might have decided
should be the law?