Why We Lost The Vietnam War

In article , Spiv wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Hawaii is not a part of the mass of the USA. being 1,500 miles way

It is a state,

So they say. It is a colony.

It is a state. Colonies and other possessions do not have voting
representation in the US Congress, and do not send Electors to the
Electoral College for Presidential elections. Hawaii and Alaska
do.

They colonised it virtually displacing the
locals.

Unless you can tell me why this is different from any other state
in the US, it's not a way to distinguish a state from a colony.

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In article , Spiv wrote:

Depends on its ability to support people and feed them from the land. The
UK can do that with no problems - 60 million of them.

Quote from the 2004 World Almanac, p. 848:

Britain imports all of its cotton, rubber, sulphur, about 80% of
its wool, half of its *food* and iron ore....

Emphasis supplied. (The old-fashioned spelling of "sulfur" is in
the original.)

Not to mention that this had absolutely nothing to do with size in
any sense meaningful to transportation.


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Brett wrote:
"Spiv" wrote:

Read about the Brababzon project.

I believe the only one contributing to this thread that hasn't read about
the Brabazon committee would be YOU.

Technically, I've been contributing, and I haven't read about it.

Of course, I have avoided saying anything stupid about airliners by
not saying anything about them.






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Spiv wrote:

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Having looked at Russia (from flights out to Japan) the USA is small
and the UK very small..


Yes, as I said, it depends on one's point of view.

Depends on its ability to support people and feed them from the land. The
UK can do that with no problems - 60 million of them.


With all the 'Land Army', 'Victory Gardens' etc. why were we so short of
food with just a fraction of that population during WWII?

I used to think the U.K. was big when I thought a 100mile drive required
pre-planning. Then I came to North America and got on a train - three
days later I was still on the train and a long, long way from the far
side. Incidentally I'm expecting to drive about 120miles tomorrow to do
a little shopping; if I did that in the U.K. I'd probably fall off the
edge.

Dave

"Spiv" wrote in message
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So they say. It is a colony. They colonised it virtually displacing the
locals.


Pretty much every human inhabited location is the result of some other group
being displaced or conquered, and often it was done many times in the same
location by different groups. Hawaii itself was a unified group of
kingdoms. By your reasoning, most of the world is a colony. Hawaii is a
state, the majority of residents including those of Polynesian ancestry
support remaining so.

Jarg

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"Spiv" wrote in message
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So they say. It is a colony. They colonised it virtually displacing
the
locals.


Pretty much every human inhabited location is the result of some other
group
being displaced or conquered, and often it was done many times in the same
location by different groups. Hawaii itself was a unified group of
kingdoms. By your reasoning, most of the world is a colony. Hawaii is a
state, the majority of residents including those of Polynesian ancestry
support remaining so.

Not what I read. A majority of Polynesianians want independence.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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Could you walk around it in a day?


I could travel around it in a day.

"David Thornley" wrote in message
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In article , Spiv
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In article , Spiv
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I know exactly what they are. Overseas territories, are just that, no
matter what the sovereign state calls them.

If you are going to suggest that Alaska and Hawaii are not part
of the US,

Yes I am. Alaska has a lot of Canada between it and the USA.

If you're going to talk some language vaguely related to English,
as opposed to English, you might as well let us know beforehand.

Alaska and Hawaii are part of the US.

As is are the Falklands a part of the UK if we go to the point of who has
sovereignty. However these places are not a part of the main mother. They
are detached and acquired much later.

Between WWI and WWII, East
Prussia was part of Germany.

And it disappeared because it was not a part of the mother country.

you're suggesting something that nobody will agree with.

I couldn't care.

Obviously. Here's a clue: if you want to get anything out of
participation in Usenet, you really should be able to communicate.
Disagreeing with entire national populations about what a country
is does not seem, to me, like communicating.

BTW, local Hawaiians want independence. The US stole the
islands. It has now more westerners on it than locals.

Granted that the US stole the islands, like a lot of other US
territory, are you sure the locals want independence?

Last I read.

I wouldn't
be surprised to find some do; on Puerto Rico (stolen in the 1898 war)

Not a part of the USA apparently being some sort of protectorate as are the
US Virgin Islands.

"David Thornley" wrote in message
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In article , Spiv
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Depends on its ability to support people and feed them from the land.
The
UK can do that with no problems - 60 million of them.

Quote from the 2004 World Almanac, p. 848:

Britain imports all of its cotton, rubber, sulphur, about 80% of
its wool, half of its *food* and iron ore....

It can feed the people, the UK is highly fertile. We pay farmers not to
produce. Any food imported is because it is cheap, trade agreements, or we
just can't grow that food in our climate. When it comes to it, the land can
feed the people. It did in WW2. All land was turned over to food
production.

Not to mention that this had absolutely nothing to do with size in
any sense meaningful to transportation.

Who said transportation. 175 years ago it took days to go from one part of
England to another by stage coach. They all thought it was very big. You
think of the size of a country by plane times.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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"Jarg" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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So they say. It is a colony. They colonised it virtually displacing
the
locals.


Pretty much every human inhabited location is the result of some other
group
being displaced or conquered, and often it was done many times in the
same
location by different groups. Hawaii itself was a unified group of
kingdoms. By your reasoning, most of the world is a colony. Hawaii is
a
state, the majority of residents including those of Polynesian ancestry
support remaining so.

Not what I read. A majority of Polynesianians want independence.




I looked around and cannot find anything that supports your contention. On
the other hand the LA Times mentions a 1999 survey in which "43% of
Hawaiians--evenly split among natives and nonnatives--either favored or
partly favored the idea of sovereignty."

Jarg