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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
A Lieberma writes:
What I meant to say was that I thought that all headphones must be off below 10,000 feet for the ability to hear instructions. Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't necessary to take headphones off to hear them. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
Buck Murdock wrote: United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental doesn't. I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the 90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal... American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens, until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing their own doom. I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago, but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out front and looking straight down. Regards, Kev |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
A Lieberma wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in : I had a similar experience on a United flight into Little Rock AR a few years ago. I was listening to the channel while we were on final and the tower calls "United 456, GO AROUND GO AROUND, Aircraft on the runway." Before the second "Go Around" had been called the engines got real loud. The tower then told the Baron to clear the active, contact ground and call the tower at XXX-XXXX when able. We were own very short final. And I have no doubt the pilot saw the runway incurrtion at the same time the tower did. Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet. I would have thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the captain, especially short final? Allen The audio channels where on during this flight. I would assume that the audio system in airlines would be certified for in-flight use. Since I got an I-Pod I haven't listened to the audio they provide but back then the only time you couldn't hear the audio channels was when the crew override kicked in. |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
"Kev" wrote in message oups.com... Buck Murdock wrote: United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental doesn't. I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the 90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal... American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens, until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing their own doom. Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10... I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago, but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out front and looking straight down. Flew Egypt Air 777 to Cairo and it had a forward-looking camera on the nose gear. Cool view on a long final approach to land. Jay B |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
-----Original Message----- From: JD ] Posted At: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:42 AM Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr Conversation: Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC Subject: Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC Jim Carter wrote: MS - why don't you get a copy of the instrument flying handbook or the TERPS manual, or some other good text and learn the system? Every one of the questions you've been asking are addressed in those and in the AIM and FARs. These are the information sources that aspiring pilots use in their pursuit of knowledge. Online version of the AIM: http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/index.htm "Page Not Found Sorry, but the page you have requested has moved or no longer exists. Please use the links provided below to find the resource you were looking for: Home FAA Home" Try http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...tions/atpubs/a im/ |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
Buck Murdock wrote in
: Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food. I'd have to agree with the nice planes :-) 767 with personal entertainment on the back of each seat, including the cheap seats I was in. Movies or video games or even a GPS flight show. Went to seatguru, selected the outer seat either behind or in front of the wing. First time on a 767 for me, and it is the quietest plane I ever been on! Oh yea, the trip, awesome. Only dissapointment was Lihue airport didn't have a GA place where I could rent a Cessna. Tell you what though, airliners had a dickens of a time at Lihue. Downhill runway, every landing was a crusher, and every landing, we stopped no sooner then the 1000 foot marker. Couldn't figure it out until one takeoff, the pilot took his sweet time lining up, and I happened to be on the left side of the plane. Runway had a huge grade going down. Allen |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't necessary to take headphones off to hear them. Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane. Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders. Allen |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
A Lieberma writes:
Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane. No, typical response of someone who has actually looked at the comm stack in a commercial airliner. Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders. Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements can be made that override all audio channels. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders. Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements can be made that override all audio channels. Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane. Reeeeeeeed carefully above. Better yet, pull the plug to your computer and make an announcment over your radio stack and see just how many of your imaginary passengers will hear your announcement. Allen |
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Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC
A Lieberma wrote: Mxsmanic wrote in : Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders. Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements can be made that override all audio channels. Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane. Reeeeeeeed carefully above. ?? It might be clear in your own head, but I can't figure out what you're arguing about. All Mx said is that you can hear announcements on top of the headphone channels. That's certainly been my experience. Are you claiming otherwise? Puzzled, Kev |
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