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  #321  
Old November 23rd 03, 07:45 PM
Wdtabor
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Absolutely. But true, l-f capitalism must inevitably produce economic
colossi that can suppress competition and freedom.


That's what has happened and is currently happening in pretty much every
industry in this country right now.


Think so?

Please point to an example of such a concentration of power in this country
where government has not been used to suppress competition in some way or there
has been unlawful coercion in the marketplace.

Remember that libertarains do not oppose laws that protect us from unlawful
interference in the making and execution of contracts.

I think you are tarring laissez-faire capitalism with the sins of a system that
only *claims* that label.

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  #322  
Old November 23rd 03, 08:46 PM
Chris W
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Wdtabor wrote:

Absolutely. But true, l-f capitalism must inevitably produce economic
colossi that can suppress competition and freedom.


That's what has happened and is currently happening in pretty much every
industry in this country right now.


Think so?

Please point to an example of such a concentration of power in this country
where government has not been used to suppress competition in some way or there
has been unlawful coercion in the marketplace.


Microsoft is the best example. They create new products, and use their marketing
power and money to try and drive competitors out of business, Netscape being just
one of many examples of that there are even some examples where they have failed
because their marketing wasn't enough to over come the worthless product they put
together when the competition in this case had a far superior product. They have
told computer resellers that if they ship any computers with a competitors product
pre installed then they will force that reseller to pay a much higher price for
Microsoft products. In one case Microsoft had some kind of agreement with computer
resellers where they had to put windows on all computers, that way those who want
to run other operating systems still had to pay for windows, this in commonly
refereed to as the Microsoft tax. While the government is involved and has
pretended to do something about it, in reality they have done nothing.

Then there is the music industry where a few very large corporations control
everything and everyone from the DJs to song writers to artists to which songs on a
new CD they are going to let us hear. In this case the government is helping them
make it even worse, by taking our rights that the copyright laws give us.

I'm not trying to suggest that if libertarians were in charge that it would be any
better or worse, just that it is pretty bad the way it is now.


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Chris W

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania


  #323  
Old November 23rd 03, 08:48 PM
Robert Perkins
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:10:06 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Robert,

I'm still looking for good freeware W&B and E6B calculators for Pocket
PC 2002. Anyone know of any?


www.pocketfms.com - what you want AND a full moving map, flight planning
tool for PC and PocketPC. Great!


Vielen herzlichen Dank, Thomas! It looks like it's what the AOPA
flight software SHOULD be, but isn't!

I knew you and I had something in common! :-)

Rob

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[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card
  #324  
Old November 23rd 03, 08:49 PM
Tom S.
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Wdtabor" wrote:
Who in the LP ever advocated unrestrained power?


I don't believe I accused the LP of that. I accused the LP of blind
faith in l-f capitalism and the inability to see that it leads to
economic entities with unrestrained power.


Backasswards.

Most abuses masquerading as laissz-faire capitalism
are actually unholy alliances of government and some individual or
corporation. Aircraft certification is a good example of a group of
corporations using the force of government to bar competition.


That is true but beside the point. Unrestrained corporations using the
force of
economic power can bar competition, as well.


It's precisely the point. For one thing, you're confusing economic power
and political power.


How much less expensive would GA aircraft be if the government
played no part in certification? Let anyone build an airplane and put
it on the market. Let the AOPA, or a consortium of aircraft insurers,
do the rating and let the individual purchaser assume the risks if he
chooses the unrated airplane.


You're preaching to the choir.

Freedom and competition go together.


Absolutely. But true, l-f capitalism must inevitably produce economic
colossi that can suppress competition and freedom.


Just the opposite.

I don't know where you're getting your info from, but damn near every
statement you're making is a complete inversion. Did you derive these from
something you figured out, or from something you read from a non-LFC type?
Paul Krugman?



Check out the main school, http://www.mises.org



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Old November 23rd 03, 09:16 PM
Rick Durden
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"John",

Prove any one of them.

All the best,
Rick

"John" wrote in message thlink.net...
Some simple truths:

=====================
God loves you.
We were created have fellowship with Him.
Sin (man's claim to the right to himself) alienates us from God.
Jesus Christ - God's Son - came to earth as God Incarnate and gave up His
rights to Himself to redeem us from sin.
God accepted Christ's sacrifice and signified this by raising Him from the
dead.
If we accept the sacrifice of Christ as a substitutionary sacrifice for our
sins, we are saved from the results of those sins - alienation from God.

"By this gospel you are saved ... that Christ died for our sins according to
the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures"

=====================
Everything else is man's attempt to understand God - some do it better than
others but no one's got it all figured out.

John

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Old November 23rd 03, 09:29 PM
Judah
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Prove it!

Thomas Borchert wrote in
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Judah,

Nah - you have nothing to worry about... I have it on good authority
that the Jews were right anyway.


Oh really? I thought it was Buddha.


  #328  
Old November 23rd 03, 10:18 PM
Bill Denton
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This question is of no importance whatsoever; it is just something I noticed
and was curious about.

In every picture I have ever seen of a King Air's cockpit, there appears to
be a digital clock/timer in the center of the left yoke, and an analog clock
in the center of the right yoke.

Is this "factory", or is it a field change? You would expect to see either
two analogs or two digitals from the factory.

Is there a reason the two different devices are used, or was it a case of
just upgrading one side.

Thanks!


  #329  
Old November 23rd 03, 10:39 PM
Peter Gottlieb
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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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I suspect there are few pilots who are not libertarians at heart. The two
mindsets mesh far too well for me to be the only one here.


Yeah, but so what? In the present system one needs to vote against rather
than vote for, and to effectively vote against, you have to "side with" the
strongest alternative. The LP may very well have some good principles, but
I don't see them getting anywhere serious for a very long time, if ever.


  #330  
Old November 23rd 03, 10:40 PM
Peter Gottlieb
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:br3wb.283748$Tr4.870792@attbi_s03...
However, I got the impression that these guys, when confronted with an
in-flight emergency, might conceivably just sit back and wait for a

miracle.
THAT scares me.


Ironically, Darwinism will take care of that problem.


 




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