Run In With Mr. Edwards

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Or, of course, something bizarre could occur. It used to be called
"compromise" -- although I haven't seen it in quite a while,

Hey Jay, what is this "compromise" you're talking about?

Repeal of all taxes?

Only Repubs and Libertarians in office?

Our military in every 3rd world country imposing "democracy" on them?

Just wondering what "compromise" means to a mid-westerner.

Just wondering what "compromise" means to a mid-westerner.

Compromise can't really happen until we return to a time before political
correctness made it wrong to call someone "crippled" but made it okay to
vocally and publicly insult someone for what they believe.

Compromise won't happen until we return to the days when public officials
had a sense of decorum, and were discreet about their personal lives.

Compromise won't ever happen until both sides of the aisle stop calling the
other side names, and until they refrain from viewing the other side as less
intelligent.

No one communicates anymore. No one listens anymore. Even here, in this
most casual of forums, participants resort to the basest language and vilest
implications, simple because the other side won't bend to their way of
viewing the world.

It's really just two camps, hunkered down in trenches, lobbing hand grenades
over the wire. Occasionally blood is drawn, but nothing more takes place.
No peace is declared, no retreat sounded.

Sadly, I don't think this is going to change soon, as the moral issues
dividing the two parties are so stark.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:nARXc.246074$eM2.18242@attbi_s51...
Compromise can't really happen until we return to a time before political
correctness made it wrong to call someone "crippled" but made it okay to
vocally and publicly insult someone for what they believe.

Fortunately, most "political correctness" is a silly diversion and is doomed
to the annals of history. I hope. You are right about the insulting - that
pretty much closes the door on understanding and compromise.

Compromise won't happen until we return to the days when public officials
had a sense of decorum, and were discreet about their personal lives.

I think they are discreet as they ever were, it's just that now the other
side blows it out of proportion (ok, maybe bad choice of words). I actually
really don't care if some politician has an affair. But I do care when
those on the other side of the political fence make enough of it to disrupt
the workings of government. Many people we vote into power, on both sides,
have had all sorts of trysts while in office, for hundreds of years. Maybe
it has something to do with the power, but let's try not to let something
like that interfere with their job!

Compromise won't ever happen until both sides of the aisle stop calling
the
other side names, and until they refrain from viewing the other side as
less
intelligent.

Very true. The reason that longstanding disputes have been around so long
is that both sides have valid arguments.

No one communicates anymore. No one listens anymore. Even here, in this
most casual of forums, participants resort to the basest language and
vilest
implications, simple because the other side won't bend to their way of
viewing the world.

Oh, some get crazy and some don't. Usual mix, different strokes for
different folks. Debating and arguing points takes a lot of thought and
energy and sometimes there is some resentment when the other side doesn't
just cave right in (yeah, like that's realistic).

It's really just two camps, hunkered down in trenches, lobbing hand
grenades
over the wire. Occasionally blood is drawn, but nothing more takes place.
No peace is declared, no retreat sounded.

Well, you're trying to do a little bit.

Sadly, I don't think this is going to change soon, as the moral issues
dividing the two parties are so stark.

I don't agree. I see a lot of willingness of certain people to try, and to
try to find common ground, of which there is plenty. We all have much more
in common than not. To begin with, we all share a common love so we're like
some sort of family. And, like most families, we are unfortunately somewhat
disfunctional, but still a family...

Peter

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54...
If this is what we have to look forward to under a
Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come.

As we climbed out I laughingly told my kids that this was "your
tax-dollars
at work." I then closed my eyes and wished fervently that 9/11 had never
happened...

Jesus, I wish 9/11 had never happened either. In addition to the lives that
were lost, we've had to spend billions of dollar since to boost security,
we've made every line at an airport 4 times as long as they were before,
we've given all sorts of security personel including secret service, INS,
FBI etc. free license to be jerks (for the minority among them that want to
be jerks), and the worst part is you know that 99% of this effort is wasted;
it is to prevent the 1% of cases where a real risk is involved.

As for attributing this kind of behavior to a Kerry/Edwards presidency, I
sincerely doubt it has anything to do with them (as I am sure you know).
This is the domain of the secret service who don't change when a new
president gets elected. FWIW, AOPA tells us that Kerry has been quite a bit
more accomodating to GA by not utilizing TFR every place the campaign jet is
scheduled to land.

Sadly, I don't think this is going to change soon, as the moral issues
dividing the two parties are so stark.

I don't agree. I see a lot of willingness of certain people to try, and
to
try to find common ground, of which there is plenty. We all have much
more
in common than not. To begin with, we all share a common love so we're
like
some sort of family. And, like most families, we are unfortunately
somewhat
disfunctional, but still a family...

Peter, I wasn't talking about *here* -- I was talking about in the real
world.

Here, we're ALL insane, inextricably bound by our passion for flying.

Rec.Aviation is like a world-wide Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, except that
we're all reveling in our drunkenness. And nothing as silly as politics can
separate us in that regard.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Compromise won't happen until we return to the days when public officials
had a sense of decorum,


And when, pray, tell, was that? When slavery was still the big thing?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dave Stadt wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
Most of us believe that what we get every four years is REALLY
revolting.

Jim

Especially this year, when the choice appears to be between Darth Vader
("Bring me the prisoners! I want them alive!") and Gollum (tracing the
image
of a heart shaped medallion: "Soooo beautiful. Soooo Preciousss.")

I thought the choice was more on the order of Beavis and Butt Head.

No. Beavis & ButtHead are (at times) amusing.

But I truly believe you denigrate Mr. Vader by comparing him to
the current occupant of that place at 1600 whatever. Vadr knew how to
motivate his troops. And in the end, put himself on the front line.
(Well, at least in Episode 4 -- or SW1, however you wish to count)

"Blanche" wrote in message
...
Dave Stadt wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
Most of us believe that what we get every four years is REALLY
revolting.

Jim

Especially this year, when the choice appears to be between Darth Vader
("Bring me the prisoners! I want them alive!") and Gollum (tracing the
image
of a heart shaped medallion: "Soooo beautiful. Soooo Preciousss.")

I thought the choice was more on the order of Beavis and Butt Head.

No. Beavis & ButtHead are (at times) amusing.

But I truly believe you denigrate Mr. Vader by comparing him to
the current occupant of that place at 1600 whatever. Vadr knew how to
motivate his troops. And in the end, put himself on the front line.
(Well, at least in Episode 4 -- or SW1, however you wish to count)

Lord Vader repeatedly allowed his entire army to be destroyed by a band of
teenage rebels. His men were motivated only by fear of him. Everywhere he
went he provoked rebellion against the empire. Even in "A New Hope" he
showed up only after the battle was already won. He was obsessed with
security but ineffective in implementing it.

It is best not to stretch the comparison too far -- our soldiers are not
motivated by fear of Bush, for example.

I am looking forward to the release of "The Revenge of the Sith" in May.

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Just wondering what "compromise" means to a mid-westerner.

Compromise can't really happen until we return to a time before political
correctness made it wrong to call someone "crippled" but made it okay to
vocally and publicly insult someone for what they believe.

Compromise won't happen until we return to the days when public officials
had a sense of decorum, and were discreet about their personal lives.

Compromise won't ever happen until both sides of the aisle stop calling the

other side names, and until they refrain from viewing the other side as less
intelligent.

No one communicates anymore. No one listens anymore. Even here, in this
most casual of forums, participants resort to the basest language and vilest
implications, simple because the other side won't bend to their way of
viewing the world.

It's really just two camps, hunkered down in trenches, lobbing hand grenades
over the wire. Occasionally blood is drawn, but nothing more takes place.
No peace is declared, no retreat sounded.

Sadly, I don't think this is going to change soon, as the moral issues
dividing the two parties are so stark.

Six paragraphs of blather, but no answer to the actual question asked.
And why exactly does "compromise" represent some sort of holy grail
you seem to imply?

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

Pity. I was so looking forward to "The Revenge Of The Electorate" in November.
Sniff.

{;-)

Jim




"C J Campbell"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-I am looking forward to the release of "The Revenge of the Sith" in May.
-

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com