Bible-beater pilots

On 2003-11-23 14:18:04 -0800, "Bill Denton" said:

In every picture I have ever seen of a King Air's cockpit, there appears to
be a digital clock/timer in the center of the left yoke, and an analog clock
in the center of the right yoke.

Is there a reason the two different devices are used, or was it a case of
just upgrading one side.

Can't speak for the King Air, but every Lear 35 I fly has an analog clock on
the left side of the panel, and a Davtron digital clock/timer on the right side
of the panel. (Actually, we might have one that has that el-cheapo digital
clock/timer on the left side. but that's the exception.)

I suppose the advantage to having the analog clock is that it's spring powered,
so as long as somebody winds it, it still runs even if all of the electricity goes
away.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:56:55 -0500, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

If what you're saying is true, then religion is obviously a harmful tool in
the hands of the greedy. Let's disarm them.

I haven't got the first idea how to do that.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

"Chris W" wrote in message


... there are
even some examples where they have failed because their marketing
wasn't enough to over come the worthless product they put together
when the competition in this case had a far superior product.

Was that supposed to support your argument?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
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Wdtabor wrote:


The central tenet of Libertarian policy is that we do not INITIATE the use of
force. Most abuses masquerading as laissz-faire capitalism are actually unholy
alliances of government and some individual or corporation. Aircraft
certification is a good example of a group of corporations using the force of
government to bar competition.

And I suppose the requirements that physicians must be licensed to
practice medicine
is simply the AMA to do the same thing? Meanwhile, the bar exam is just
another
intrusion into paradise to fatten lawyer's wallets? And I guess the
professional engineers
exam is another way the "good old boys club" is maintained? Heaven
forbid that any
of these might require the applicant to demonstrate competence in the
subject.


How much less expensive would GA aircraft be if the government played no part
in certification? Let anyone build an airplane and put it on the market. Let
the AOPA, or a consortium of aircraft insurers, do the rating and let the
individual purchaser assume the risks if he chooses the unrated airplane.

Why stop there? Why should the purchaser even have to demonstrate
competence in
his ability to control that aircraft? After all, if he's willing to
assume the risk, what business
is it of mine?

It's just a thought, but it seems to me that whether or not your
'hero' chooses to buy an
unrated plane, and whether or not he chooses to become competent in the
operation of
that aircraft, is VERY MUCH MY BUSINESS! That guy is going to go buzzing
around
over my head, and when (not if, but when) he gets his ass into trouble,
chances are he's
going to try to take me with him. So if you don't mind, I'm going to
continue to insist
that someone make sure that that plane is airworthy, and that pilot is
competent. I'm also
going to insist that the people who make those decisions are competent
to do so, so that
I don't have to become an expert in everything just to protect my skin.

Rich Lemert

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message


And then check the constitution. VERY disturbing.

Careful, now. "..Shall make no law barring..." is a far cry from
acknowledging a god. You'll need to come up with a better argument than
that, I'm afraid.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:15:08 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

If government says that they trust in God ('In God we trust'), they
also must believe in Santa Claus.

You've seen that movie too?

Rob, who lives on 3*5*th Street :-)

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:49:36 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:

It's precisely the point. For one thing, you're confusing economic power
and political power.

Power is power. There's no difference, when political power is used to
*take the money*.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

Peter wrote:

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Unless you don't believe that the speed of light is a constant in
vacuo.


What's there not to believe? Anyone using GPS cannot deny Einstein -
it wouldn't work without relativity.

Relativity has certainly been well-tested and (as you say) widely
used. However, there is serious discussion taking place concerning the
possibility of a variable speed of light as an alternative to
inflation during the early phases of the big bang.

Which demonstrates the fundamental difference between science and
religion - science
is falsifiable, and it is correctable. Religion is not. Science can say
"look here - here's
something that can't be explained by relativity, maybe we need to modify
our theories
a little bit."

When religion can propose a test that, if succesful, would disprove
the existance of God,
then will I be willing to grant it a status on par with science.

Rich Lemert

Chris W wrote:

I am continually amazed at how wrong both the religious and secularist
are on

evolution. I like the the way a biology teacher I once had put it. He said
something like this, evolution is a proven fact, it happens every day. If your
going to get all caught up on the issue of whether or not men evolved from apes
you are missing the point. Every living thing evolves to adapt to it's
surroundings as they change. Just because evolution is a fact, it doesn't mean
that men evolved from apes. Although Darwin put that forth as a possibility,
through further study he eventually came to the conclusion that men did NOT
evolve from apes.

A few years ago, Discover magazine had a column in which the author
was relating an
experience he once had teaching biology. He had two skeletons in his
classroom, and
he asked his students to study them to determine which one was from a
male and which
was from a female. One student immediately came up and said he didn't
have to examine
the skeletons, because he would be able to tell just by counting the
ribs. The instructor
told the student to go back anyway and check that hypothesis.

A few minutes later, the student was back with a very distressed look
on his face. He
asked the instructor if he was _sure_ that the skeletons were male and
female. The
instructor said that yes, he was sure. They had come from a reputable
scientific supply
house that advertised them as such, and even if he didn't trust them
there were several
characteristics that lead him to that conclusion anyway.

Then he asked the student why the student was so confused. The
response, as he expected,
was "because they both have the same number of ribs."

The instructor was finally able to convince the student that this was
a flawed argument
regardless of whether or not you interpreted the story of Adam and Eve
literally.

To me, the sad part of the whole exchange was the fact that the
student was unwilling
to challenge what he already "knew" was true.

Rich Lemert

Equally acceptable: Propose a test that would prove any of them wrong.
Rich Lemert

Rick Durden wrote:

"John",

Prove any one of them.

All the best,
Rick

"John" wrote in message thlink.net...


Some simple truths:

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God loves you.
We were created have fellowship with Him.
Sin (man's claim to the right to himself) alienates us from God.
Jesus Christ - God's Son - came to earth as God Incarnate and gave up His
rights to Himself to redeem us from sin.
God accepted Christ's sacrifice and signified this by raising Him from the
dead.
If we accept the sacrifice of Christ as a substitutionary sacrifice for our
sins, we are saved from the results of those sins - alienation from God.

"By this gospel you are saved ... that Christ died for our sins according to
the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures"

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Everything else is man's attempt to understand God - some do it better than
others but no one's got it all figured out.

John