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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:31 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:


Cite? Graphs I've seen show it could take as little as a thousand years at an
8 deg. C rise, even if poorly understood melting acceleration processes are
not included.

"Models for continental ice melting are not yet capable of capturing the
complex features that NASA satellites are now discovering in these ice fields.
Important processes may be missing from models."

http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/20...ppenheimer.pdf

"Instead of melting slowly, like a giant ice cube, ice in Greenland and
elsewhere seems capable of melting much more rapidly. Reports back from the
field are noticing disturbing trends in this regard."

The IPCC working group 1 Tech Summary mentioned those and rejected
them.

It is in the sea level rise section that the report gave the 20 degree
C requirement for melting the Antarctic Ice Sheets over millennia.

You really should read it.

Don


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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:26:51 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Dan Luke wrote:
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Don Tabor" wrote in message
And if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it,
there is no sound.
Correct, but irrelevant.
No, that isn't correct. A tree falling in the forest makes sounds
irrespective of whether anyone is able to hear the sound.

I've always read that "sound" is the result of the brain processing vibrations
transmitted by the aural organs, and that vibrations are nothing more than
that: waves in the medium.

There are plenty of these vibrations around us all the time that we don't
perceive. When do they become sound?

It's mostly a semantic argument, I suppose.


Sound has many definitions, but most include something like this which
speaks of vibrations in some medium. Detecting the vibrations isn't
required in order for them to exist.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sound

If you close your eyes so that you can't see the sun, does that make the
sun disappear from existence?

That was my point. The absence of thermometers and meteorologists is
not a reason to deny the Medieval Warm Period occurred, there is
plenty of archeological and other proxy evidence that it did, and that
it was throughout the Northern Hemisphere, not just a local European
event.

There is also no evidence that the rise was any slower than the
current increase. That is just assumed.

Don


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"Don Tabor" wrote:

"Instead of melting slowly, like a giant ice cube, ice in Greenland and
elsewhere seems capable of melting much more rapidly. Reports back from the
field are noticing disturbing trends in this regard."

The IPCC working group 1 Tech Summary mentioned those and rejected
them.

I cannot seem to find a document with that exact name. Can you provide a
link?

It is in the sea level rise section that the report gave the 20 degree
C requirement for melting the Antarctic Ice Sheets over millennia.

You really should read it.

I've read this:

_IPCC WGI Fourth Assessment Report_

p. 17

"Contraction of the Greenland ice sheet is projected to continue to contribute
to sea level rise after 2100. Current models suggest ice mass losses
increase with temperature more rapidly than gains due to precipitation and
that the surface mass balance becomes negative at a global average warming
(relative to pre-industrial values) in excess of 1.9 to 4.6°C. If a negative
surface mass balance were sustained for millennia, that would lead to
virtually complete elimination of the Greenland ice sheet and a resulting
contribution to sea level rise of about 7 m. The corresponding future
temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last
interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when paleoclimatic information suggests
reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise."

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Dan
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:31:19 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:


The IPCC working group 1 Tech Summary mentioned those and rejected
them.

I cannot seem to find a document with that exact name. Can you provide a
link?

The official version has not yet been released as it is being
rewritten to conform to the Summary for Policymakers (No, I am not
kidding.)

You can find a link to the leaked second order draft at
www.junkscience.com

Don


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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:31:19 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

The corresponding future
temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last
interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when paleoclimatic information suggests
reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise."

Was that caused by the giant ground sloths driving SUV's?

Don



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"Don Tabor" wrote:

The corresponding future
temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last
interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when paleoclimatic information
suggests
reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise."

Was that caused by the giant ground sloths driving SUV's?

Funny. You should be on talk radio.

The whole point of the current alarm over AGW is that human input may force
the climate to mimic natural paleoclimatic extremes in the near future.

But you knew that, right?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

"Don Tabor" wrote:

The corresponding future
temperatures in Greenland are comparable to those inferred for the last
interglacial period 125,000 years ago, when paleoclimatic information
suggests
reductions of polar land ice extent and 4 to 6 m of sea level rise."

Was that caused by the giant ground sloths driving SUV's?

Funny. You should be on talk radio.

The whole point of the current alarm over AGW is that human input may force
the climate to mimic natural paleoclimatic extremes in the near future.

But you knew that, right?

As far as I can tell the current alarm over AGW is to obtain additional
funding for more studies.

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wrote:


As far as I can tell the current alarm over AGW is to obtain additional
funding for more studies.

Really?

Gosh!

--
Dan

"The opposite of science is not religion; the opposite of science is wishful
thinking."
-John Derbyshire

On 2007-04-13, Matt Barrow wrote:
Next year is your turn in the barrel.

No, we had it last year, which was the coldest in years (although still
significantly warmer than the winters prior to 1976).

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On 2007-04-13, Don Tabor wrote:
world. If Americans decide to make their sneakers last a few months
longer on average, children go hungry in the third world.

Gosh, I must be a really terrible person then for trying to make things
I own last longer, and buying locally made or grown goods wherever
practical...

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