We Are All Spaniards

Martin Hotze wrote:

ah well. I just jumped on another OT post. sorry.
(And BTW you are not spaniard. Your roots are in central Europe, most
likely in Germany.)

***sigh***

I know I'm jumping in late. But this is exactly the kind of thing
which makes it so very difficult for Europe to ever be a totally
united place.

Rob

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote:


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

We are in a religious war. We didn't choose it, but we've got it.


Really? Maybe we should take "separation of church and state" more
seriously here and break that link. Say what you will about these people
attacking us, but they are not stupid and they see the strong Christian
leaning of the US government administration.

What did they miss about the last US administration, that still got
two embassies, a warship, and 17 sailors killed dead?

You're making a red herring with that argument, Peter.

Rob

In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:

"Wdtabor" wrote:
But I am not trying to compare the relative worth of cultures, I am
comparing results. Had the Amerindian culture rewarded knowledge
and ambition as ours did, considering the vast resources thay had at
their disposal, a successful culture would have been large and strong
enough to resist us.

So conquest and extermination of one culture by another is justified on
the grounds that it's the conquered culture's fault for being weaker
than the conqueror?


There is a difference between something being justified and it's being
inevitable.

OK, let's look at it from a Democrat perspective. There are about 285 million
people in the US, how about if the 2 million wealthiest buy up all the deeds
and evict the other 283 million, keeping the entire country for themsleves as
a giant hunting and fishing preserve. What about the 283million homeless, or
the hundreds of millions of others around the world who will starve to death if
the US agricultural bounty is converted to a big game park? Would you allow
that now? Then why would it have been reasonable then?

Those resources simply were not going to be wasted while people starved to
death around the world. Had we not moved in, the Russians would have moved in
from the northwest, or the Spanish from the south, or the French from Canada.

It can certainly be said that there were unethical measures used in how the
transition was made, but the simple truth is that Ameridian culture was doomed
the moment navigational technology broke their isolation.

Don



--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...

Because it is a TACTIC, not an ENTITY.
There is nothing to "wipe out".


Tactics cannot be defeated?

Not as such. The Anarchists of the late 19th Century used the same
tactics to try and undo society.

Rob

"Frank" wrote in message ...

Depends.....

If one believes they have a legitimate right to a country then the
answer is obvious.


They were given a country. Why do they need another one and why aren't the
Jewish Palestinians entitled to one?



If one believes otherwise, that is that Israel owns the land free
and clear, then they must be fighting for equal rights as citizens.


Israeli Arab citizens have rights equal with Israeli Jews.



I don't know the answer, but as a simple test answer this question.
Should a Palestinian be voting in an Israeli election or not. If not
then where?


How are you using the term Palestinian here? There is no Palestinian
nationality, there never was. There are two nations that were created on
the former Palestine Mandate, Israel and Jordan. All Israeli citizens, Arab
and Jew, vote in Israeli elections. What nation, other than the US, allows
non-citizens to vote in it's elections?

(pacplyer) wrote in message . com...

What I don't understand is why are we wasting money rebuilding Iraq?

Your "honorable" government members are making money with it like
noone has seen before. Which is, probably, one of the main motives for
the invasion.

We're just going to have to go back and bomb it in a few years from
now anyway.

Sure, greed never ends.

... I think Jay is right about random bombers. Kill them all.
Issue a new deck of terrorist cards and make those cards redeemable
for large amounts of compensation when they are returned along with
said terrrorist's head in a sack.

Israel is following your advice quite well. Do you think Israel can
sit back and relax now? How many more inocent victims will this
assasination have caused?

The rest of the world hates us anyway because we have a very high
standard of living here and we are truely free to enjoy life, liberty,
and the pursuit of flying little airplanes.

Jeez, how vain can you be?! People enjoy life and freedom outside of
the US too, you know? More freedom I think; their governments aren't
all over their wherabouts.

Seriously, though: I don't think people in the world *hate* the US;
only their actions regarding foreign policy. There is much to be
admired from the US, and a lot to be despised.

I, for one, watched amazed how Bush threw incredibly feeble excuses
and lies to an astonishingly gullible public after 9/11. Noone I know
could believe how stupid Mr. Bush had to be to think he could go away
with such blatant lies. Yet he did... I feel truly sorry for the
people who can't see beyond the propaganda machine, as obvious as it
is. But I know there are a lot of people in the US who can see beyond,
and a lot of very brave people who openly state their opposition. I
feel sad because we are all victims of a lunatic who reached power
through electoral fraud (which, in the US, is the ultimate irony) and
is driving the world to a nightmare only to satisfy his and his
friend's greed. That, and having the support of their gullible
followers, who really believe Iraq was invaded because of Saddam or,
worst yet, because of WMD or, worst even, because of some link with
Al-Qaeda, is the saddest thing in the world.

S Green wrote:

The only war the Americans have won on their own was the Civil War.

Tell that to the Mexicans and Philipinos.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote in
:

In article , Judah
writes:


So you think that if they are successful at pushing the Jews out of
Israel, they will just be content and stop?

Sure... I can see that happening. Give Israel over to Palestine, and we
will all of a sudden have World Peace!


Yeah, feeding the crocodile always works.


Till he takes his next dump...

"Wdtabor" wrote:
...There are
about 285 million people in the US, how about if the 2 million
wealthiest buy up all the deeds and evict the other 283 million,
keeping the entire country for themsleves as a giant hunting and
fishing preserve. What about the 283million homeless, or
the hundreds of millions of others around the world who will
starve to death if the US agricultural bounty is converted to a
big game park? Would you allow that now?

I would have thought a Libertarian would have no problem at all with
this idea. In fact, it sounds very much like the Libertarian Party
position on environmental protection.

Those resources simply were not going to be wasted while people
starved to death around the world. Had we not moved in, the Russians
would have moved in from the northwest, or the Spanish from the south,
or the French from Canada.

So all of human history will be a series of violent resource grabs by
overpopulated, aggressive nations? Don't you see rapidly diminishing
opportunities for these kinds of grabs? What will the future be like if
no human moral force restrains such naked plunder? We're running out of
aborigines to evict.

...the simple truth is that Ameridian culture
was doomed the moment navigational technology broke their isolation.

Granted. Have you ever considered that the stupidest thing humans can
possibly do is to attempt to establish contact with space-faring alien
beings? "Hey! Conquistadors! We're over here!"
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

I, for one, watched amazed how Bush threw incredibly feeble excuses
and lies to an astonishingly gullible public after 9/11. Noone I know
could believe how stupid Mr. Bush had to be to think he could go away
with such blatant lies. Yet he did... I feel truly sorry for the
people who can't see beyond the propaganda machine, as obvious as it
is. But I know there are a lot of people in the US who can see beyond,
and a lot of very brave people who openly state their opposition. I
feel sad because we are all victims of a lunatic who reached power
through electoral fraud (which, in the US, is the ultimate irony) and
is driving the world to a nightmare only to satisfy his and his
friend's greed. That, and having the support of their gullible
followers, who really believe Iraq was invaded because of Saddam or,
worst yet, because of WMD or, worst even, because of some link with
Al-Qaeda, is the saddest thing in the world.

Please pack this drivel away, once and for all...

How is GW getting rich on Iraq?

How is it that the major nations of the world, the United Nations, and your
patron saint, Bill Clinton, were all convinced that Saddam had weapons of
mass destruction, and publicly stated so before the war? (Not a huge leap
of faith, given that Saddam ADMITTED to having them, and USED them on his
own people.)

How is it that the Supreme Court of our country -- packed, as it was, with
Clinton appointees -- perpetrated an "electoral fraud" on us all?

When are folks of your ilk going to realize that we actually, finally, for a
brief moment in time, have a president who says what he means, means what he
says, and doesn't back down because some ABC Pollster -- or foreign
dignitary -- tells him that the folks in Newark or Paris don't agree with
his positions?

Personally, I do not agree with everything Bush does. However, if you're
going to impugn the man's character, at least back it up with some logic and
a few facts -- not just the left-wing's tired re-hash of old lies and
innuendo.

And, by the way...how 'bout that new Garmin G1000?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"