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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
news:TUMVc.122627$sh.67356@fed1read06... "John Mullen" wrote in message ... "Leadfoot" wrote in message news:KYBVc.118201$sh.114795@fed1read06... What are some of the greatest strategic air missions? Some candidates Yamamoto shootdown Hiroshima Paul Doumer bridge LGB Dambusters Tirpitz Norwegian heavy water Midway Doolittle raid You would surely have to include the 11th September attacks on New York and Washington. For an outlay of well under $1M, and some volunteers suicide attackers with box cutters, whoever executed it massively damaged the US economy, and so spooked the US that they started not one but two unwinnable wars (in Afghanistan and Iraq) in response. Surely that has to place it up there with Hiroshima? I think the Doolittle raid is a much closer parallel to 9-11 than Hiroshima Fair point. Churchill's raid on Berlin in 1940 as well? John |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
Vietnam, on the other hand, simply ground on until every one got tired and went home. The great Strategic campaigns in Vietnam were the ones that never happened. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Dave Kearton" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... | Subject: Greatest Strategic Air Missions? | From: "Leadfoot" | Date: 8/21/2004 5:51 PM Pacific Standard Time | Message-id: | | Actually my intent in using the word "strategic" was to avoid the listing of | missions such as "most aircraft shot down" or "most tanks busted" type | missions which while important to any war effort wasn't what I was looking | | How about missions that changed the world? Battle of Britain comes to mind. Thats a campaign, not a mission | | | Arthur Kramer If (in this case) we draw a difference between 'mission' and 'campaign' , which is what the BoB really was, the significant mission on both sides, would have been the decision to bomb each others' capital city. Or going after radar sites Cheers Dave Kearton |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message ... "Leadfoot" wrote in message news:TUMVc.122627$sh.67356@fed1read06... "John Mullen" wrote in message ... "Leadfoot" wrote in message news:KYBVc.118201$sh.114795@fed1read06... What are some of the greatest strategic air missions? Some candidates Yamamoto shootdown Hiroshima Paul Doumer bridge LGB Dambusters Tirpitz Norwegian heavy water Midway Doolittle raid You would surely have to include the 11th September attacks on New York and Washington. For an outlay of well under $1M, and some volunteers suicide attackers with box cutters, whoever executed it massively damaged the US economy, and so spooked the US that they started not one but two unwinnable wars (in Afghanistan and Iraq) in response. Surely that has to place it up there with Hiroshima? I think the Doolittle raid is a much closer parallel to 9-11 than Hiroshima Fair point. Churchill's raid on Berlin in 1940 as well? Proved they could do it. Probably not much damage to the German war effort except for the MAJOR damage to Hermann Meyers (goering) reputation. John |
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message news:BlXVc.124472$sh.98869@fed1read06... Proved they could do it. Probably not much damage to the German war effort except for the MAJOR damage to Hermann Meyers (goering) reputation. I suspect John was referring to the raid in late August 1940 where bombs were droped on Berlin. This is often said to have been a response to German bombers dropping bombs on south London (Croydon) In fact the reality is more mundane. Both aircraft were simply off target when thet dropped their bombs. The RAF aircraft were attemting to attack a military airfield and the Siemens factory Keith |
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Subject: Greatest Strategic Air Missions?
From: "Leadfoot" Date: 8/21/2004 11:46 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: iiXVc.124448$sh.75819@fed1read06 "Dave Kearton" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... | Subject: Greatest Strategic Air Missions? | From: "Leadfoot" | Date: 8/21/2004 5:51 PM Pacific Standard Time | Message-id: | | Actually my intent in using the word "strategic" was to avoid the listing of | missions such as "most aircraft shot down" or "most tanks busted" type | missions which while important to any war effort wasn't what I was looking | | How about missions that changed the world? Battle of Britain comes to mind. Thats a campaign, not a mission | Same for Linebacker II. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Greatest Strategic Air Missions? From: "Leadfoot" Date: 8/21/2004 11:46 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: iiXVc.124448$sh.75819@fed1read06 "Dave Kearton" wrote in message ... "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... | Subject: Greatest Strategic Air Missions? | From: "Leadfoot" | Date: 8/21/2004 5:51 PM Pacific Standard Time | Message-id: | | Actually my intent in using the word "strategic" was to avoid the listing of | missions such as "most aircraft shot down" or "most tanks busted" type | missions which while important to any war effort wasn't what I was looking | | How about missions that changed the world? Battle of Britain comes to mind. Thats a campaign, not a mission | Same for Linebacker II. Some one else posted linebacker II not me. I did consider it and decided it was a campaign not a mission when I started the thread Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:34:00 -0700, "Leadfoot"
wrote: Thats a campaign, not a mission Same for Linebacker II. Some one else posted linebacker II not me. I did consider it and decided it was a campaign not a mission when I started the thread I'd think that maybe 11 days might be closer to a battle, but if you want it to be called campaign, then let's just go with December 18/19th night. One hundred fifty BUFF sorties scheduled and most of them flown into an area the size of Rhode Island. Accompanied by a bunch of F-111's against the airfields and followed up with the full force of all the USAF/USN airplanes in theater the next day, hitting virtually every worthwhile (and many sub-worthwhile) targets in RP VI within 24 hours. Looked pretty impressive from my seat. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" Both from Smithsonian Books ***www.thunderchief.org |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:34:00 -0700, "Leadfoot" wrote: Thats a campaign, not a mission Same for Linebacker II. Some one else posted linebacker II not me. I did consider it and decided it was a campaign not a mission when I started the thread I'd think that maybe 11 days might be closer to a battle, but if you want it to be called campaign, then let's just go with December 18/19th night. One hundred fifty BUFF sorties scheduled and most of them flown into an area the size of Rhode Island. Accompanied by a bunch of F-111's against the airfields and followed up with the full force of all the USAF/USN airplanes in theater the next day, hitting virtually every worthwhile (and many sub-worthwhile) targets in RP VI within 24 hours. Looked pretty impressive from my seat. No doubt, Ed. I'd call the whole Linebacker II campaign a strategic success. As I remember, the North Vietnamese had walked away from the Paris negotiations, and had to be 'persuaded' to come back. Seems like taking the gloves off worked. I don't know how long we could have sustained that level of losses, specially the BUFFs, but I'm reasonably sure the NV thought we'd go as long as we had to. If only we'd done it earlier... | George Ruch | "Is there life in Clovis after Clovis Man?" |
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