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On 17 Sep 2003 08:41:16 -0700, robert arndt wrote:
Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, [...] I only live for the day [when I can] watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. When are you growing the toothbrush mustache, Bob? -- A: top posting Q: what's the most annoying thing about Usenet? |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... snip This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****. Aha. Interesting. Not really Tom since you excel in the art of BS. Don't you have some pro-Iranian/anti- Israeli rally to attend someplace? Or do you send your money to Saudi Arabian charities in the hope they will reach Hamas? Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, given it is a terror sponsoring state and lying about its underground nuclear program... but I guess you are happy that both the US and Israeli are restrained for the moment- the Israelis caught up in 36 months of Intifada, us bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I only live for the day one of the two or both strike Iran and shoot their aircraft out of the skies. Better yet, let Iran fire a salvo of IRBMs at Israel and watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. Yes. Stupids are everywhere. Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... snip This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****. Aha. Interesting. So, what you say in essence is this: - the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never happened, - the Soviets never participated in this battle, - what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public, - the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that they put their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs of their Army during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find and hit the place. ....and all of this because you don't know that the details about the air battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that the Soviets did not took part in the air battle against the Israelis, as well as because you don't have a slightest clue about where the Syrian "War Room" was, and, finally, because the US president was threatening to attack the USSR with nuclear bombs if this would happen? Do you understand how silly this is? Obviously he does not. Just as he does not apparently realize how laughable his claim that Israel is developing not one but apparently two new fighter aircraft is, nor his strange assertion that Israel has developed some kind of new MANPADS. Apparently a confirmed citizen of Loonland... Brooks Tom Cooper Time will show that you are the fool. Did you think that the Industry of Israel would stop with their current fighters that they have been buiding for years. LOL on that sweat pea (the baby in the old Poppie Comics and Cartoons - LOL). They actually are way behind schedule. Remember a speech by BiBi where he said a main issue he would start to address was the Israeli Defence Ministry's Dependence on the US Purse Strings. Now how could he do that and continue to have to buy 3/4 or more of his planes from the US? Understanding it now. He also led the battle to get the Arrow-I project started and keep it funded and befor that was ever deployed got the Arrow II project started. Sharon has almost finished the full deployment plan for those and he announcded 1 month into his adminstration the *continueing* aircraft, avionics systems, and the start of the Arrow III development project. The Arrow I is relatively short range compared to the proposed Arrow III. The Arrow II will most likely hit an Missle from Lybia passed appogee while the specifications that are already released (the parts of the specs not all of them) is to be able to take such out at appogee. Israel has put via the NASA launch programs a Geo-Stationary satalite that is believed by many to be only part for communications (the announced purpose) but also capable of detection of any M.E. Launched Missiles giving more warning. The proposal is to have a 2 tear ABM capability, faster launching, faster and longer range Arrow IIIs to be used first and then the Arrow II if a malfunction is detected that would be the *only* cause of a missed target. In one laugh you did get something almost right. One, the fighter where they already have some exepirance already is being scale model wind tunnel tested for stability testing before the build a first prototype to actually flight test. The longer range with the larger delivery capacity is still on the Drawing Boards which means it may be a few years before it gets to even this point of development. It is also true that the development and testing will take a lot longer than the US woud take. One must remember that in the attempt to break the Sound Barrier many prototype planes were lost and in some cases the US lost the pilots as well, Also the prototypes were useless designs for any real combat plane. Israel cannot afford that expense when they test a plane it will be a prototype, yes, but the final plane will be modelled from that prototype that was the best one. Till then the idea is that other than mounting the actual weapons systems while the test pilots test the design, it will only be the final tests of the actual plane that will test weapons delivery and the installed aviaonics. But the Euro fighter has been in design now since the US started it's stealth system design. That was many years ago and still no working plane has emerged. I would not hold your breath for that so called super plane from the French. LOL. -- MattA ?subject=HepatitusC-Objectives Matt's Hep-C Story web pages are back at a home. No more drop down ads to get in your way. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matta00 Truth about Howard Aubrey AKA madyan67: http://www.geocities.com/lord_haha_libeler/ |
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Tom Cooper wrote:
"robert arndt" wrote in message om... "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... snip This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****. Aha. Interesting. Not really Tom since you excel in the art of BS. Don't you have some pro-Iranian/anti- Israeli rally to attend someplace? Or do you send your money to Saudi Arabian charities in the hope they will reach Hamas? Tehran should be a smoking ruin by now, given it is a terror sponsoring state and lying about its underground nuclear program... but I guess you are happy that both the US and Israeli are restrained for the moment- the Israelis caught up in 36 months of Intifada, us bogged down in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I only live for the day one of the two or both strike Iran and shoot their aircraft out of the skies. Better yet, let Iran fire a salvo of IRBMs at Israel and watch as Tehran disappears in a mushroom cloud. Yes. Stupids are everywhere. Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about "IRBMS". ABM = Anti Balistic missile with the purpose to destroy an inbound missle before it hits the target. ICBM = Inter-Contental Balistic Missile - the mainstay of the Cold War for years. They have enough range to hit any target inside any distant nation. They do mostly by reaching a high altitude appagee and flying over the North pole for the old USSR, and Over the Pacific for China, while over the Atlantic for Europe and Africa. South America (the farther reaches would be reached by direct path flights over the Equater from our more Southern Silos. MRBM - Medium Range Balistic Missiles are incapable of flying the distances between the Old Soviet Block, US or US and China. The Soviets in the early 1960s placed this type in Cuba and from there put our south and Eastern States in range with a less than 20 minute warning at most. Since they are fired from closer the time from a launch to detonation is much shorter. That is their main value. SRBM are short range missiles, to that point they fall under Tactical or actual Battlefield Weapons. Very low in range but hits the target in under 5 minutes. No time given the enemy to react. However the drawback is that your own troops may be exposed to the Blast, heat and radiation from the detonation as well. The US at one time proposed to use these if West Germany was invaded to destroy the invading army. Like the City of Way we would destroy half of the area to save the area. Play on a General's words as the US had almost destroyed the city to force out the last of the VC in the Tet Offensive. What is a "IRBM". Jane's Does not list it at all so what is it some ray gun or what? ROFLH at the person that warned about them. -- MattA ?subject=HepatitusC-Objectives Matt's Hep-C Story web pages are back at a home. No more drop down ads to get in your way. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matta00 Truth about Howard Aubrey AKA madyan67: http://www.geocities.com/lord_haha_libeler/ |
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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about "IRBMS". IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. It's the class of ballistic missiles with a range somewhere between 1.500 and 3.000km. They are not "intercontinental", but also not "tactical" or "short range". Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 |
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Tom Cooper wrote:
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about "IRBMS". IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. It's the class of ballistic missiles with a range somewhere between 1.500 and 3.000km. They are not "intercontinental", but also not "tactical" or "short range". Tom Cooper Co-Author: Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988: http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php and, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat: http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585 Then why does Jane's Catalog of weapons held by all nations by nation and by catagory not mention them? -- MattA ?subject=HepatitusC-Objectives Matt's Hep-C Story web pages are back at a home. No more drop down ads to get in your way. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/matta00 Truth about Howard Aubrey AKA madyan67: http://www.geocities.com/lord_haha_libeler/ |
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"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ...
Kevin Brooks wrote: "Tom Cooper" wrote in message ... "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... snip This was acknowleged the day it happened by US Intellegence as well as photo shots that appeared in the NY Times released by the IAF to the press. The building was the right building and after the war even Syria admitted it happend. It is you that are full of Bull ****. Aha. Interesting. So, what you say in essence is this: - the air battle provoked by the IDF/AF on 30 July 1970 never happened, - the Soviets never participated in this battle, - what happened during this battle was never revealed to the public, - the Syrians were soooooooooooooooooooooooo endlessly dumb that they put their "War Room" in the middle of the building with the HQs of their Army during the War in 1973, so that the IDF/AF could find and hit the place. ....and all of this because you don't know that the details about the air battle on 30 July were revealed, and because you think that the Soviets did not took part in the air battle against the Israelis, as well as because you don't have a slightest clue about where the Syrian "War Room" was, and, finally, because the US president was threatening to attack the USSR with nuclear bombs if this would happen? Do you understand how silly this is? Obviously he does not. Just as he does not apparently realize how laughable his claim that Israel is developing not one but apparently two new fighter aircraft is, nor his strange assertion that Israel has developed some kind of new MANPADS. Apparently a confirmed citizen of Loonland... Brooks Tom Cooper Time will show that you are the fool. Did you think that the Industry of Israel would stop with their current fighters that they have been buiding for years. LOL on that sweat pea (the baby in the old Poppie Comics and Cartoons - LOL). Uhmmm...where's the beef? Surely you have some kind of real evidence of these plans to produce new fighters in Israel? Must be a big secret, as nobody else seems to have caught on... You might want to examine a career in science fiction, as you apparently have the requisite imagination... Brooks snip rambling, insubstantial rant |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:04:20 -0400, "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman"
wrote: Tom Cooper wrote: "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about "IRBMS". IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. It's the class of ballistic missiles with a range somewhere between 1.500 and 3.000km. They are not "intercontinental", but also not "tactical" or "short range". Then why does Jane's Catalog of weapons held by all nations by nation and by catagory not mention them? Because you're not using it properly. Get your copy of Janes Strategic Weapons Systems off the shelf and start reading, there's quite a lot of data on IRBMs in there, plus the contents of all the strategic weapons treaties from SALT 1 onwards. Peter Kemp |
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In article ,
"Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" writes: Tom Cooper wrote: "Matt A.00 01 is Matthew Ackerman" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me what "IRBMS" are. I know about ABMS and ICBMS, and S.R.B.M. as well as M.R.B.MS are but never read anything till here about "IRBMS". IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. It's the class of ballistic missiles with a range somewhere between 1.500 and 3.000km. They are not "intercontinental", but also not "tactical" or "short range". Then why does Jane's Catalog of weapons held by all nations by nation and by catagory not mention them? Because Jane's is but a pale shadow of its former august self. As a useful reference it has gone very far downhill in the last 10 years or so. I suspect that one of heir problems has been that they split themselves much to thin in that timeframe, producing over-specialized volumes that basically parrot the manucafturer's press releases with very littel cogent analysis. (Now, really - Is "Jane's All the World's Air Freight Cargo Containers really worth $150.00 US per volume? Should I be saving my hard-earned for "All the World's Armoured Fighting Vehicle Track End Connectors?" I gave up & went with Brassey's instead. Much more information, and much less pretence. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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