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FAA Control tower Abandoned
"beavis" wrote in message ... There's your answer. If the tower is closed, there's no-one to issue RVR reports; the ASOS won't do it. Further, the charts specifically say that Cat II (and III) minimums are NA when the tower is closed. With no operating tower, they require Cat I minimums, which are 1/2 mile for both 05 and 23. So what they said was true: They couldn't land because there was no-one in the tower. No, what they said was false: They couldn't land because the weather was below minimums for all available approaches. |
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FAA Control tower Abandoned
Roy Smith wrote: Newps wrote: I kept the tower open an extra hour or so Does that mean the Class D Airspace was in existence an extra hour too? That was before they invented the lettered airspace. We were a control zone back then. What happens if I dutifully read my AFD and discover that the tower (and the associated CDAS) closes at midnight, so I figure when I arrive at 12:30 I don't need to talk to anybody. I fly in, enter the pattern, land, and taxi to the ramp without bothering to self-announce. Have I broken any regulations? The weather was IFR so yeah, you broke some regs. In reality we would work around you should that ever happen in VFR weather. No rules would have been busted. |
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FAA Control tower Abandoned
When we closed the tower we put the lights on pilot control, the
standard 3,5 and 7 clicks thing. If I see you landing without talking to me I might toggle the lights off and on to get your attention. Roy Smith wrote: Does that mean the Class D Airspace was in existence an extra hour too? What happens if I dutifully read my AFD and discover that the tower (and the associated CDAS) closes at midnight, so I figure when I arrive at 12:30 I don't need to talk to anybody. I fly in, enter the pattern, land, and taxi to the ramp without bothering to self-announce. Have I broken any regulations? In article , Robert Chambers wrote: You'd still try and get the ATIS before you got there wouldn't you? Maybe. If I didn't expect the tower to be open, I wouldn't expect there to be anything interesting to hear on the ATIS so maybe I wouldn't have bothered. I probably would have self-announced on the CTAF (in which case the tower would hear me and let me know they're still home), but that wasn't the question. I'm asking a nit-picking silly "let's dissect the FARs on usenet" kind of hypothetical question. If I just flew in and landed without talking to anybody, would I have broken any rules? |
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Roy Smith wrote: I don't know, but you still haven't answered my question. You fly to an airport, the tower is open, you don't think the tower is open and you land anyway? You've entered class D without establishing communications 91.129(c)1 then you've just landed without a clearance 91.129(i) So yes you've been naughty and will most likely be asked to call the tower. |
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"Robert Chambers" wrote in message . com... You fly to an airport, the tower is open, you don't think the tower is open and you land anyway? You've entered class D without establishing communications 91.129(c)1 then you've just landed without a clearance 91.129(i) So yes you've been naughty and will most likely be asked to call the tower. You can't enter Class D airspace if it's outside the hours the Class D airspace is in effect. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Robert Chambers" wrote in message . com... You fly to an airport, the tower is open, you don't think the tower is open and you land anyway? You've entered class D without establishing communications 91.129(c)1 then you've just landed without a clearance 91.129(i) So yes you've been naughty and will most likely be asked to call the tower. You can't enter Class D airspace if it's outside the hours the Class D airspace is in effect. So by that logic, for example if PVD's tower controllers said "ok SWA 1234 we will stick around for another 30 minutes" - SWA 1234 still wouldn't be allowed to shoot the CAT II approach because the tower was not in operation because it was outside the normal operating hours? |
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"Robert Chambers" wrote in message . com... So by that logic, for example if PVD's tower controllers said "ok SWA 1234 we will stick around for another 30 minutes" - SWA 1234 still wouldn't be allowed to shoot the CAT II approach because the tower was not in operation because it was outside the normal operating hours? No. Airspace is regulatory, facility operating hours are not. For the 5 1/2 minutes PVD tower was in operation after the published operating hours of the tower/TRACON and the Class C airspace there was a towered field in a Class E surface area. |
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FAA Control tower Abandoned
Steven P. McNicoll wrote: I thought there were only two SWA flights. If a SWA flight landed at PVD at 11:57 and another SWA flight returned to BWI before it was past Manhattan then what SWA flight missed an approach at PVD? These are the two flights that didn't land at PVD: SWA2020 was flying from MCO to PVD, scheduled to land at 11:44pm SWA946 was flying from BWI to PVD, scheduled to land around 10:20pm The first missed the approach about two minutes after midnight, and the second turned around about halfway there, around 17 to 19 minutes after midnight. The other flight I mentioned, SWA 1729 from LAS, I believe actually landed at PVD at 11:51pm. All this is from FlightAware (you may have to register to view the links, I'm not sure): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...357Z/KBWI/KBWI http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...157Z/KMCO/KPVD http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...303Z/KLAS/KPVD |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote: I thought there were only two SWA flights. Here's the list of SWA flights into PVD according to their printed schedule (starting at 9pm): 9:00pm from TPA 9:55pm from BWI 10:30pm from PHX 10:45pm from BWI 11:05pm from MCO 11:25pm from MDW 11:35pm from LAS It seems that at least three of these were running late that night. |
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