New Queer? for the fleet, EF-18G

Hey OJ
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, I'm confused. I asked a question to
the group, not just him about any other details the group might have
other than the news article, because I would be truly interested. Then
all I get is flack, like I'm a dumbass for asking. First 'J' responded
with " JEEZ, its a news article". I knew that it was just a news
article, thats why I told him to go Jeez hisself when he attacked my
question to the group, and I guess you meant that to be for you? it
wasn't.
And yes I know about being PP to death, I have a "few" on MMA
and ACS/EP3, thats why I asked if anyone had any info on it. I also
work for a PMA. Guess I asked for too much. Shoulda known better, but
I'm not ignorant.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:12:07 -0500, Ogden Johnson III
wrote:

fudog50 wrote:

Unsat J,
Thanks to O.J for pasting the link, (which says absolutely
nothing about the questions I asked), so go "JEEZ" yourself for cryin
out loud! Do you even know what DT/OT and IOC are? I'll leave it at
that.

I can guarantee you he does. I can also guarantee you that you are
displaying your own ignorance by asking:

Any details on the contract? How about the SOW? I'd be interested to
see it, along with the milestones and when DT/OT/IOC is supposed to
take place.

when the source was clearly identified as a newspaper article. I've
been playing around the DoD world, either in the military or working
for them via a beltway bandit, since 1961 and I've *never* seen
information about a contract's SOW, milestones, DT/OT/IOC, etc.,
published in a newspaper article. Or in a website article. Or in a
magazine article. I generally see snippets of info on that sort of
thing in the presentations put out by the Program Office's or
Manufacturer/Prime Contractor's Power Point Rangers.

Maybe you want to try an FOI request with DoN for the info you are
seeking.

Ogden Johnson III wrote:

when the source was clearly identified as a newspaper article. I've
been playing around the DoD world, either in the military or working
for them via a beltway bandit, since 1961 and I've *never* seen
information about a contract's SOW, milestones, DT/OT/IOC, etc.,
published in a newspaper article. Or in a website article. Or in a
magazine article. I generally see snippets of info on that sort of
thing in the presentations put out by the Program Office's or
Manufacturer/Prime Contractor's Power Point Rangers.

I think maybe you're not reading the right magazines, then. The serious
trade press (Defense Daily, Aerospace Daily, Inside the Pentagon, etc.) will
often discuss milestones, DT/OT, IOC dates, and so forth. A lot of this
info will even show up in slightly less hard-core pubs like Aviation Week
and Defense News.

For EA-18, we can even find this info online in pubs like Seapower (not
usually a great refernce, but a good start in this case). From mid 2002:

"The company estimates that the aircraft's Systems Design and Development
phase could begin in fiscal year 2004, with initial operational capability
reached in 2009. "

http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/june_02_08.php

The EA-18G did in fact pass Milestone B (Approaval to begin System Design
and Development) late in 2003 and Boeing received a contract for EA-18G SDD
on the 29th (which is what prompted this thread).

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

Doug- It was an O-level mod to plumb the Prowler for a buddy store.
BRBR

In VF-151, Fox " have ya seen my moovie' Farrell hung a buddy store on the CL
of our F-4 with wing tanks, and then refueled another F-4, got a pic of it but
can't find it.

The give was just about nuthin but we did for a airshow.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

andrew- Until it is retired without replacement sometime in the next few
years.

Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea,

No. BRBR

Too bad. Altho I am not a VS guy, there are butt loads of Chinese 'U boats'
that will be an 'issue' in the future, IMO. Do the Blackhawks onboard the CVs
have a antisub mission?

Plus flyin' KS-3s offa the boat would be a great 'retirement' job...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Pechs1 wrote:

Too bad. Altho I am not a VS guy, there are butt loads of Chinese 'U
boats' that will be an 'issue' in the future, IMO. Do the Blackhawks
onboard the CVs have a antisub mission?

Seahawks, not Blackhawks, and yes, ASW is the main job for the SH-60F (well,
when they're not doing VERTREP or Plane Guard). But there are only four or
six per carrier.

--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

"Thomas Schoene" wrote:

Ogden Johnson III wrote:

when the source was clearly identified as a newspaper article. I've
been playing around the DoD world, either in the military or working
for them via a beltway bandit, since 1961 and I've *never* seen
information about a contract's SOW, milestones, DT/OT/IOC, etc.,
published in a newspaper article. Or in a website article. Or in a
magazine article. I generally see snippets of info on that sort of
thing in the presentations put out by the Program Office's or
Manufacturer/Prime Contractor's Power Point Rangers.

I think maybe you're not reading the right magazines, then. The serious
trade press (Defense Daily, Aerospace Daily, Inside the Pentagon, etc.) will
often discuss milestones, DT/OT, IOC dates, and so forth. A lot of this
info will even show up in slightly less hard-core pubs like Aviation Week
and Defense News.

Fair bust, Tom. I *was* remiss in not being specific, in that I meant
general interest magazines rather than the "trade" press. Gomenasai,
boy-san.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

Thanks Tom

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:40:21 GMT, "Thomas Schoene"
wrote:

Ogden Johnson III wrote:

when the source was clearly identified as a newspaper article. I've
been playing around the DoD world, either in the military or working
for them via a beltway bandit, since 1961 and I've *never* seen
information about a contract's SOW, milestones, DT/OT/IOC, etc.,
published in a newspaper article. Or in a website article. Or in a
magazine article. I generally see snippets of info on that sort of
thing in the presentations put out by the Program Office's or
Manufacturer/Prime Contractor's Power Point Rangers.

I think maybe you're not reading the right magazines, then. The serious
trade press (Defense Daily, Aerospace Daily, Inside the Pentagon, etc.) will
often discuss milestones, DT/OT, IOC dates, and so forth. A lot of this
info will even show up in slightly less hard-core pubs like Aviation Week
and Defense News.

For EA-18, we can even find this info online in pubs like Seapower (not
usually a great refernce, but a good start in this case). From mid 2002:

"The company estimates that the aircraft's Systems Design and Development
phase could begin in fiscal year 2004, with initial operational capability
reached in 2009. "

http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/june_02_08.php

The EA-18G did in fact pass Milestone B (Approaval to begin System Design
and Development) late in 2003 and Boeing received a contract for EA-18G SDD
on the 29th (which is what prompted this thread).

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:44:24 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote:

What's the replacement for the S-3? CSA got cancelled years ago.

Notice that I said "Until it is retired without replacement sometime in the
next few years."

"Without replacement" means NO replacement.

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

On 01 Jan 2004 14:56:18 GMT, (Pechs1) wrote:

that will be an 'issue' in the future, IMO. Do the Blackhawks onboard the CVs
have a antisub mission?

There are no Blackhawks aboard CVs.

There are Seahawks, however, and their primary function is ASW.

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

Once again proving that sometimes it's right to do something, if only to
show what a lousy idea it was in the first place. g

Happy New Year to all in r.a.m.n!

--
Mike Kanze

" . . . Greed powers the capitalist impulse as gasoline powers the
combustion engine, and, like gasoline, has noxious properties that must be
monitored."

- Julia Homer, Editor-in-Chief - CFO Magazine, December 2003


"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
Doug- It was an O-level mod to plumb the Prowler for a buddy store.
BRBR

In VF-151, Fox " have ya seen my moovie' Farrell hung a buddy store on the
CL
of our F-4 with wing tanks, and then refueled another F-4, got a pic of it
but
can't find it.

The give was just about nuthin but we did for a airshow.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer