Electric locomotion will replace internal combustion

On Sep 25, 6:39*am, Mark wrote:

????? *It isn't a link. I gave you the manufacturer's
name and model. It goes 300 miles on a charge.
It costs less than my truck did.

The manufacturer makes the 300 mile claim.
No-one else does.
And your truck must be at least a 6 wheeler

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52Â*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21Â*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? Â*Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Â*Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. Â*I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

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Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

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Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 7:14*pm, george wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:39*am, Mark wrote:

????? *It isn't a link. I gave you the manufacturer's
name and model. It goes 300 miles on a charge.
It costs less than my truck did.

The manufacturer makes the 300 mile claim.

That is their website/official claim that won't
get them sued for exaggerating.

No-one else does.

There are color photos on the web, and testimonies
of the people who exceed that number.

And your truck must be at least a 6 wheeler

Been to a truck Dealership lately? Looked at
any new 250's? Looked at any new 150's or
Toyotas, Silverados, Supercrew, 4 X 4 with the
leather and largest motor? Cheaper than
an airplane but more than a Tesla S model.

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Mark

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:00Â*pm, wrote:

Learn to read.

Then how am I typing this sentence?

10,000 monkeys?

What I've said was technologically impossible for the foreseeable future
is any kind of portable, electric storage device to come anywhere near the
energy density of gasoline/diesel fuel.

Ok, this is the topic now.

I said what I said, not what you lied and said I said, all of which is
indendant of "the topic".

Will your car go 300 miles on a tank of gas?

Easily.

How about 500 miles on a tank of gas?

Not quite, about 400 miles with careful driving.

Nevermind the fact that you're stinking up the planet
and funding terrorism for now.

**** you and the goat you rode in on.

Learn to read.

That's not an answer.

Learn to read.

The answer is in my next sentence.

What I've said was I don't see any production, pure electric cars with
a one charge range of greater than 40 miles.

Since saying that I realize the Tesla gets around 200 miles on a charge,
so there is one.

So...you were wrong. Yes?

Yes, on one point.

Ok, so technologically, it is possible then,

Here comes the big lie again.

What I've said was technologically impossible for the foreseeable future
is any kind of portable, electric storage device to come anywhere near the
energy density of gasoline/diesel fuel.

Wrong. They cost 47 grand, less than a nice truck.

Another lie.

The Tesla Roadster costs over $100,000.

The Tesla Model S is predicted to cost less, but it doesn't yet exist.

of a mass produced, electric car that costs 11 grand, but don't
want to discuss it in this conversation yet

Another lie; such doesn't exist.

LSV's are not cars.

You have said such a price level is unatenable for the average person
to buy an airplane.

Sorta. I said that in 1971 the average person could buy a new
plane, and now they can't. New planes, after avionics, insurance,
hanger, your license and gear, will cost 150 -310 thousand bucks.

Most new LSA's cost a bit over $100,000.

A luxury electric car, similar to a Lexus, costs 47 grand.

Lier, such does not exist.

If that is too much to pay for a new airplane, it also too much to pay for
a new car.

Now the topic is...compare e cars to airplanes?

Nope, just showing how you flip with the wind.

How dare you! How dare you snip informative, relevant
factual data that contradicts your mistaken information.

FOD.

Lets look at what you snipped:

Why?

It was irrelvant babble the first time you wrote it.

snip reposted irrelevant babble


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 7:16*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? *Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. *Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. *I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

What will my sales figures look like today?

What about people who want one, but have
no store to purchase it yet.

What about people, like you, just finding out?

What about people who want one, but cannot
afford to rip out their old HVAC system?

Apples to apples.

Your position on e cars is overlooking several key
factors, which invalidates your opinion.

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Mark

On Sep 24, 7:07Â*pm, wrote:

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

Lier.

Well, you finally got something right. Yes, I am
a lier. I think stalking is for remedial combatants. To assure
success, you must know the ways of your adversary,
then lie in wait for him to walk into your trap. ( we can
talk about Sun Tzu later, and The Art of War )

Li´er (lī´ẽr)
n. 1. One who lies down; one who rests or remains, as in concealment.
as in, There were liers in an ambush against him.

Tesla claims 245 miles for the Roadster and 300 miles for the Model S,

But you said 200 miles on a charge. You were wrong, yes?

which is in development and doesn't yet exist.

They aren't in development. They are in production.
A few are already on the roads.(pre-production models of
the exact car) These have exceeded 300 miles on a charge.

You are wrong, yes?

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Jim Pennino

Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:16Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:52Â*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 6:21Â*pm, wrote:

Mark wrote:
Huh? Â*Now Mr.Logajan has also posted the same
info in this thread. Â*Now 2 of us have mentioned this
300 mile/charge electric car. Â*I don't understand.

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

They're also having trouble keeping up with demand.

My last count was in excess of 1500 already sold,

And that is world wide.

So far this year, the worlds car makers have put out roughly 38,000,000 cars.

Tesla has managed to capture .004% of the market.

Oh yeah, the crowds are forming to buy these things.

--
Jim Pennino

Let's pretend for a second. I've invented a new HVAC
system for the residental market. It is 2X as efficient
as anything Carrier or anyone else has. But, I've
just started production. You can get one next spring
through you building contractor. It will save people
50% on their heating and cooling. If asked, NO one
says they don't want one.

A big unstated factor is the installed price.

Assuming it is cost competive, then people will fall into groups:

Non-buyers:

People that don't want the big capital outlay as long as the current system
is working, i.e. the majority of people.

Buyers:

People who need the existing system replaced, i.e. some small fraction.

People with "needs" that require the system run 24/7, have huge utility
bills, and have the capital to replace the system, i.e. some small fraction.

Wealth enviro-whinners that will buy and pay for anything with a "green"
lable on it, i.e. some small fraction.

If it is not cost competitive, buyer group 1 gets even smaller and
buy something else while group 2 will do an economic analysis of capital
cost versus saved utilities cost.


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Jim Pennino

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:07Â*pm, wrote:

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

Lier.

Well, you finally got something right. Yes, I am
a lier.

We finally agree on something.

snip babble


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Jim Pennino

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Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:30Â*pm, wrote:

Nevermind the fact that you're stinking up the planet
and funding terrorism for now.

**** you and the goat you rode in on.

I will assume you misread that, to think I was
referring to "Jim", and not your fossil fuel car.
I meant your fossil fuel car. It stinks up the planet
and funds terrorism.

**** you and the goat you rode in on.

snip lies, bull****, and arm waving


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Jim Pennino

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On Sep 24, 8:18Â*pm, wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:07Â*pm, wrote:

You don't understand that the Tesla doesn't claim 300 mile/charge?

--
Jim Pennino

Tesla claims beyond 300 miles on one charge.

---
Mark

Lier.

Well, you finally got something right. Yes, I am
a lier.

We finally agree on something.

snip babble

--
Jim Pennino


Li´er (lī´ẽr)
n. 1. One who lies down; one who rests or remains, as in concealment.
as in, There were liers in an ambush against him.

And by snip babble I will take that to mean that
you are unable to prove anything you've said, for if
you could, you would. My information is here to
inform and enlighten, and your statements ended
up being the only actual babble written.

Let me know when you want to talk about "The
Art of War". Read the book first.

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Mark