Downloading Flying Music

"Newps" wrote in message
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The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.


Quite!

The media companies make it easier, but they are certainly dispensable.

How did other art forms prosper prior to big media (prior to about 1900)?

That's a great question. Prior to radio, popular music was sold as sheet
music, to be played on a piano (or similar). I have read that there were
"hit" songs, even back then -- but how the heck did anyone ever hear them?

I suppose it was "by ear," as people heard the music at one another's homes,
but can you imagine? It would literally take years for a "hit" song to
develop.

Nowadays that might be sped up a tad by the internet -- but it would require
internet participation on an unprecedented scale.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.

While this may be a good point in some cases, I sincerely doubt that
most
musicians (or, for that matter, business people) have the marketing
savvy
to
"create" the mega-groups and hit songs necessary for a thriving music
industry.

Much of what I see on the net is garage bands, spewing music. Unless
you've
got nothing else to do but listen to music, how the heck can you find
the
"good" stuff that is worth buying?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:lolRb.155466$I06.1598315@attbi_s01...
Be careful downloading music online, the music companies are filing
lawsuits
against people, they filed 500 more last week.

How in the world can they figure out who is downloading what?

I've done a little research into this "Soulseek" site this evening, and it
would seem to be pretty bulletproof, from a security standpoint.

Here's how they do it. When you participate in a file sharing
network, the key word "sharing" is what gets you. You open a portion
of your hardrive (that supposedly contains bootlegged music) to the
other folks in the file shareing network. That's how you get music
from other folks and they get music from you. All the record company
investigators have to do is to join the file sharing group and see who
has what on their hard drive. Subpeonas follow.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Jay Honeck wrote:
The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.


Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?

The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.

John Galban wrote:


Here's how they do it. When you participate in a file sharing
network, the key word "sharing" is what gets you. You open a portion
of your hardrive (that supposedly contains bootlegged music) to the
other folks in the file shareing network. That's how you get music
from other folks and they get music from you. All the record company
investigators have to do is to join the file sharing group and see who
has what on their hard drive. Subpeonas follow.

My kid used Kazaa for awhile. We simply deselected the sharing part.
Since both our computers go thru a hub if the little light ain't
blinking corresponding to his computer there's no internet activity.
The other option is to just turn the cable modem off.

Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?

The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.

Ain't no such position at many stations now, sadly.

They're all controlled centrally by one of the two radio conglomerates.
Heck, some of our "local" stations don't even have local DJs...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?

That's been the recording industry's job for the last 50 years or so.
Whether it's them, or the radio industry, SOMEONE has to do it.

Jay, my man. You surprise me. Time for new thinking.

I agree that some screening is helpful. With the internet, why do we
need a centralized place to tell us what's good? Suppose there were
no music industry whatsover: just musicians, and the internet. For
the moment put aside how the musicians are going to get paid; let's
just consider the screening process.

Suppose all songs were available on a peer-to-peer network. Some sort
of ranking system is also available for each song, based on downloads,
listener feedback, etc. Voila! You don't want to listen to a hundred
random songs to find one you like? Start downloading songs with high
rankings. You run a local program on your computer and give it
feedback about each downloaded song. The software would take into
account the original rating, the name of the rater, and your
subsequent rating, and begin to build a database of raters you tend to
agree with. Over time--and it wouldn't take long--the program could
start making recommendations to you automatically. Furthermore your
feedback would be sent back to the P2P network to assist others.

No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
it would be FANTASTIC.

No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
it would be FANTASTIC.

Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each according
to his needs..."

Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
it would be FANTASTIC.

Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each according
to his needs..."

Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.

Huh? Why should someone get paid to select music and tell you that
it's good? I go to movies if someone I know at work, who I already
know has the same interests as me, says it's worthwhile seeing. I
don't depend on slick ads or professional movie critics...music
choices can be the same.

Huh? Why should someone get paid to select music and tell you that
it's good? I go to movies if someone I know at work, who I already
know has the same interests as me, says it's worthwhile seeing. I
don't depend on slick ads or professional movie critics...music
choices can be the same.

In the movie business, the big studios are the "record companies."

Only difference is, movies are so expensive to make (compared to cutting an
album) that the studios screen everything BEFORE it gets made. The
recording industry can't control what gets made -- anyone can cut a CD
now -- but they *do* control what you get to hear on the radio.

You only *think* you're "self-selecting" what you see at the movies. That
decision was actually made for you well in advance by the Miramaxes of the
world...

And, really, would you want it any other way? Would you really *want* 500
movies to choose from, at 500 theaters? Hell, what makes it to the theater
now is often so bad, it's hard to imagine that someone "OK'd" making it.

Personally, I'm glad there are "studios" and "record companies" weeding out
the field. Of course, I'm also glad that there are newspaper editors,
sifting through the news of the day, making sure that I can read the
important stuff in five minutes. In my mind, all three of these positions
exist to make my life easier.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" writes:

No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
it would be FANTASTIC.

Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each
according
to his needs..."

Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.