Cirrus SR22 Purchase advice needed.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:34:34 -0400, Peter R.
wrote:

Dennis wrote:

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis, no comment on the Cirrus, but I want to mention that I am
planning on attending the Rochester Wings event, too (barring weather,
maintenance, or health issues). See you there.

My $.02: First time: find an existing club/partnership. Rarely does
single ownership work -- the plane doesn't fly enough. Easier to find
an existing arrangement to buy into than to create one. You probably
won't get the exact kind of plane you think you want, but the
experience will be educational.

Don

You hit the nail on that one.. I bought a 1981 Beechcraft 77 Skipper just
over 2 years ago and hardly get to fly it. Put 63 hours on it last year and
20 of those were friends using it.

Its inexpensive to own a Skipper, but I can see your point clearly..
Hanger, insurance, maintenence, etc.. Its a bit much when you don't fly it
enough.

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:34:34 -0400, Peter R.
wrote:

Dennis wrote:

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a
lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going
to the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis, no comment on the Cirrus, but I want to mention that I am
planning on attending the Rochester Wings event, too (barring weather,
maintenance, or health issues). See you there.

My $.02: First time: find an existing club/partnership. Rarely does
single ownership work -- the plane doesn't fly enough. Easier to find
an existing arrangement to buy into than to create one. You probably
won't get the exact kind of plane you think you want, but the
experience will be educational.

Don

Great! You'll have to look me up while there! I'll be the one with
"MyAirplane.com" on his shirt.. (well, one of them anyway). We may get a
booth, its up in the air right now (and only 2 weeks untillt he show).

Will you be staying over the 2 days? Wondering what camping would be like
on that field... or if its even allowed.

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com



"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Dennis wrote:

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a
lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to
the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis, no comment on the Cirrus, but I want to mention that I am
planning on attending the Rochester Wings event, too (barring weather,
maintenance, or health issues). See you there.

--
Peter

Dennis ) wrote:

Great! You'll have to look me up while there! I'll be the one with
"MyAirplane.com" on his shirt.. (well, one of them anyway). We may get a
booth, its up in the air right now (and only 2 weeks untillt he show).

I'll be looking for the shirt, as I am very familiar with your excellent
website.

Will you be staying over the 2 days? Wondering what camping would be like
on that field... or if its even allowed.

No, I am only attending on Saturday, unless the weather is really bad
Saturday but nice on Sunday. Since I am flying in from Syracuse, a mere 40
minute flight away, I am did not have plans to stay there.

I strongly doubt that camping would be allowed on the airport grounds.
Maybe someday this will be the Oshkosh of the Northeast, but for now the
event is still in its infancy.


--
Peter

If you want to do a leaseback, go with a Diamond. It is the only modern
design that can come close to covering costs. The insurance on the higher
performance planes is outlandish. Also, some 141 schools are so hot to get
the G1000's they will give you a favorable deal.

On the other hand, if you have to have something incredibly fast, go with
the Lancair. It has a much better wing design, and will no doubt prove to
be a much safer plane than Cirrus. I doubt a leaseback will work with this,
so you will need partners.

Partnerships are like marriages - choose carefully, have a prenup.

Latest news on Cirrus is the problems with the Continental Engines - a COPA
member wrote me that they are seeing engines need rebuilds or major work at
only 700 hours. Something to do with the Cirrus engine controls not
allowing the pilot to manage the engine well.


"Dennis" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking of purchasing a Cirrus SR22, I seen it at Sun'n Fun (although
I
have seen it before) and now I can not stop thinking about it.

I certainly can not afford to purchase one outright, but have a few people
at my local FBO that would be interested in partnering..

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to
the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com

While there have been some accidents due to equipment malfunction, I think
most have been ones where severe lapses in Judgement have occured

F Wolf
"Dennis" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking of purchasing a Cirrus SR22, I seen it at Sun'n Fun (although
I
have seen it before) and now I can not stop thinking about it.

I certainly can not afford to purchase one outright, but have a few people
at my local FBO that would be interested in partnering..

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to
the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com

Correct, as with almost every aircraft in the fleet. Poor judgement is well
known to be a much higher cause of death than malfunction.

If you take out the poor judgement events from Cirrus, then you have to do
the same for the others before comparing the rates.

You can do this with the Cirrus accidents because they still have a small
enough fleet. The ratio is not that much different than I would expect it
to be, its the frequency that is compelling.

Really, what percent of Cessna accidents are not poor judgement?



"Fred Wolf" wrote in message
...
While there have been some accidents due to equipment malfunction, I think
most have been ones where severe lapses in Judgement have occured

F Wolf
"Dennis" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking of purchasing a Cirrus SR22, I seen it at Sun'n Fun
(although
I
have seen it before) and now I can not stop thinking about it.

I certainly can not afford to purchase one outright, but have a few
people
at my local FBO that would be interested in partnering..

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a
lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to
the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com

Dennis, nothing to do with the Cirrus, but I just checked out you
website, already bookmarked, very cool!


Greg King
Dakota N2957F
Van Nuys, CA


"Dennis" wrote in message .. .
I'm thinking of purchasing a Cirrus SR22, I seen it at Sun'n Fun (although I
have seen it before) and now I can not stop thinking about it.

I certainly can not afford to purchase one outright, but have a few people
at my local FBO that would be interested in partnering..

I would like to get others ideas in regards to if I should do a lease-back
at my local FBO, or take on 4 to 9 other partners.. I will be going to the
Rochester fly in next month (http://www.rochesterwings.com) and hope to
solidify a deal with Cirrus..

Dennis
N3868J
MyAirplane.com