Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:53:24 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
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On Jan 24, 11:34*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:39:03 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
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People who are afraid are not necessarily rational or "reasonable" about it.

But the legal right to use deadly force IS conditioned on your fear
being both immediate and "reasonable", which is where this discussion
began.

Fear? *Can *you provide cites to the "fear" of which you blither?

Fear is like pain. There is no way to measure it. You either say you
have it or you say you don't.

Yes of course. Now Californias law makes no mention of fear whatsoever.


"reasonable cause to believe that your life or the life of another is in
immediate danger"

No fear is required.

Gunner

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in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:53:24 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
wrote:

On Jan 24, 11:34 pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:39:03 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:



People who are afraid are not necessarily rational or "reasonable"
about it.

But the legal right to use deadly force IS conditioned on your fear
being both immediate and "reasonable", which is where this discussion
began.

Fear? Can you provide cites to the "fear" of which you blither?

Fear is like pain. There is no way to measure it. You either say you
have it or you say you don't.

Yes of course. Now Californias law makes no mention of fear whatsoever.


"reasonable cause to believe that your life or the life of another is in
immediate danger"

No fear is required.


Agreed
But typically "fear of" is a huge factor.

On Jan 25, 1:44*pm, RD Sandman
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Mxsmanic wrote :

RD Sandman writes:

It could (in theory) and over the years passengers have had it
drummed into them that electronic devices could screw up cockpit
instrumentation.

Not by airline crews,

Yes, it has been.

*although it is a persistent urban legend (one

that is occasionally repeated to cabin crews in their training, in
fact).

This is true.

Correct.....they have said that it may cause false readings on
cockpit instrumentation.

I haven't even heard them say that, but I suppose it might be said
occasionally.

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William G McAdoo

Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

So here is an observation and a question,

The observation is, I fly under IFR quite a lot at altitudes lower
than 12,000 and commonly have smart phone usage and wireless lap top
usage in my SEL airplane and have not noticed any nav or com problems.
In that me and my px are using headsets the guy using his cell phone
takes off his headset so we can't hear him. So I offer no restrictions
to such use about the Mooney.

The question is, have any other pilots found interference from these
devices while in flight?

I've restricted this post to rec.aviation.piloting.

SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight cabin
announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally "reasonable"
passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.


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On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:25:28 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight cabin
announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally "reasonable"
passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.

That's rare these days on domestic flights.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight cabin
announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally "reasonable"
passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.


What airline food ??

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
m:


SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight
cabin announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally
"reasonable" passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational
fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.

The peanuts used to be pretty good.

--
It's impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.

William G McAdoo


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight
cabin announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally
"reasonable" passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational
fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.

The peanuts used to be pretty good.

I always liked the almonds better.

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"RD Sandman" wrote in message
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight
cabin announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally
"reasonable" passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational
fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.

The peanuts used to be pretty good.

I always liked the almonds better.




You flew first class, I didn't....back then.

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It's impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.

William G McAdoo


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

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"RD Sandman" wrote in message
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SaPeIsMa wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news RD Sandman writes:

The definition is a "reasonable person". And, yes, from flight
cabin announcements over the years, a goodly number of normally
"reasonable" passengers could very well have that fear.

What part of the announcements would instill such an irrational
fear?

Let's see
THe dropping oxygen masks
The proper position for a crash landing
THe use of a seat cushion as a floatation device

The serving of airline food.

The peanuts used to be pretty good.

I always liked the almonds better.




You flew first class, I didn't....back then.

Nope, just economy. But you could still get the almonds.