Closed ATC center in SoCal?

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Neil Gould writes:

Given the opportunities presented by the vulnerabilities that we
have in most other areas of our life, attacking multiple TRACON
sites wouldn't be worth the trouble.

It depends on what sort of trouble you want to cause. Terrorists like
to do things that are high-visiblity and cause lots of hysteria.
Sometimes a loss of life does that, but sometimes a bit of anarchy is
sufficient as well.

Understandable. However, there are many more fine opportunities that are
easier to pull off, if a little anarchy is the only goal.

Neil

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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Which quoted material?


Here is the message again:


LOL, FAA is actively exploring ways to privatize the entire terminal
system, cashier the airways technicians who maintain the NAS
infrastructure, outsource the Flight Service Stations and shrink the 20
continental ARTCC's into 3 mega facilities to save money.


They are? What's your source for that?


I am my source.

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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I am my source.


So, then, your statement had no basis in reality.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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I am my source.


So, then, your statement had no basis in reality.



What do you do up there in Green Bay, Steven, live under a rock? I realize
you washed out of Chicago ARTCC years ago for a reason, but I never
suspected you for a moron until just now...

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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What do you do up there in Green Bay, Steven, live under a rock? I
realize
you washed out of Chicago ARTCC years ago for a reason, but I never
suspected you for a moron until just now...


How did you know I washed out of Chicago ARTCC?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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I am my source.


So, then, your statement had no basis in reality.



I'm sure that the current ATC privatization battle royal raging in the halls
of Congress has no basis in reality either. You probably missed it, but
it's the one that pits FAA management, the Bush Administration, and certain
Republicans on one side (privatize the system) against the Air Traffic,
Airways Facilities and Flight Service workforce, Democrats and most other
Republicans on the other (keep the system in the hands of the government).
If the FAA isn't actively planning to privatize the system, they surely are
wasting a whole lot of political capital in this fight, not to mention
millions of dollars in R&D.

In no particular order, here are some ATC, FSS and AF consolidation and
privatization sources for you.



http://www1.faa.gov/AboutFAA/FlightPlan.cfm

http://www1.faa.gov/Newsroom/ContractTowers.cfm

http://www1.faa.gov/nasarchitecture/Blueprint2002.htm

http://www2.faa.gov/asd/cip04/FY04cip.htm

http://www2.faa.gov/asd/library.htm

http://www1.faa.gov/nasarchitecture/...DF/domains.pdf

http://www.flra.gov/decisions/v15/15-014-3.html

http://www.ocio.usda.gov/nitc/nitc_migration_exp.html

http://www2.faa.gov/ats/potomac/Tier1_home.htm

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/infosrc/str...lan/chap3.html

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/gis/tracon.html

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/ssd/ssd-spec.html

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...esrp97/faa.htm

http://www.washcg.com/NewWCG/pa_atcfacility.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats19.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats16.htm

http://204.108.10.116/nasiHTML/RED/narp03/index1.html

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats04.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats26.htm

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/...,655971,00.asp

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/...,656647,00.asp

http://204.108.10.116/nasiHTML/RED/narp01/index1.html

http://www.rppi.org/atlantaneworleans.html

http://www.rppi.org/atc/atc4.html#Anchor-32878

http://yichoe.netian.com/AAA/consol.htm

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/air_tra...g_report2.html

http://www.mitre.org/

http://www.mitrecaasd.org/press/

http://www.avweb.com/newswire/9_28b/.../185305-1.html

http://www.boeing.com/atm/background/longview.html

http://www.newsmgr.com/publish/article_107.shtml

http://www.newsmgr.com/uploads/03270...horization.pdf

http://www.newsmgr.com/publish/article_84.shtml

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02591.pdf


You might want to get your head out of the staff office there at GRB from
time to time and see what is happening nationally in your career field.

Chip, ZTL

Switch one letter ...and it becomes CAT fight :-)

--
Montblack
"Styled by the laws of nature.............Concorde"

("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote a reply to Chip Jones)

What do you do up there in Green Bay, Steven, live under a rock? I
realize
you washed out of Chicago ARTCC years ago for a reason, but I never
suspected you for a moron until just now...


How did you know I washed out of Chicago ARTCC?

Chip Jones wrote in message You might want to get your head out of the
staff office there at GRB from
time to time and see what is happening nationally in your career field.

Hey now, don't confuse him with facts.

D.

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
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I'm sure that the current ATC privatization battle royal raging in the
halls
of Congress has no basis in reality either. You probably missed it, but
it's the one that pits FAA management, the Bush Administration, and
certain
Republicans on one side (privatize the system) against the Air Traffic,
Airways Facilities and Flight Service workforce, Democrats and most other
Republicans on the other (keep the system in the hands of the
government).
If the FAA isn't actively planning to privatize the system, they surely
are
wasting a whole lot of political capital in this fight, not to mention
millions of dollars in R&D.

In no particular order, here are some ATC, FSS and AF consolidation and
privatization sources for you.



http://www1.faa.gov/AboutFAA/FlightPlan.cfm

http://www1.faa.gov/Newsroom/ContractTowers.cfm

http://www1.faa.gov/nasarchitecture/Blueprint2002.htm

http://www2.faa.gov/asd/cip04/FY04cip.htm

http://www2.faa.gov/asd/library.htm

http://www1.faa.gov/nasarchitecture/...DF/domains.pdf

http://www.flra.gov/decisions/v15/15-014-3.html

http://www.ocio.usda.gov/nitc/nitc_migration_exp.html

http://www2.faa.gov/ats/potomac/Tier1_home.htm

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/infosrc/str...lan/chap3.html

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/gis/tracon.html

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/ssd/ssd-spec.html

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...esrp97/faa.htm

http://www.washcg.com/NewWCG/pa_atcfacility.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats19.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats16.htm

http://204.108.10.116/nasiHTML/RED/narp03/index1.html

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats04.htm

http://www.naats.org/narbit/naats26.htm

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/...,655971,00.asp

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/...,656647,00.asp

http://204.108.10.116/nasiHTML/RED/narp01/index1.html

http://www.rppi.org/atlantaneworleans.html

http://www.rppi.org/atc/atc4.html#Anchor-32878

http://yichoe.netian.com/AAA/consol.htm

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/air_tra...g_report2.html

http://www.mitre.org/

http://www.mitrecaasd.org/press/

http://www.avweb.com/newswire/9_28b/.../185305-1.html

http://www.boeing.com/atm/background/longview.html

http://www.newsmgr.com/publish/article_107.shtml

http://www.newsmgr.com/uploads/03270...horization.pdf

http://www.newsmgr.com/publish/article_84.shtml

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02591.pdf


You expect me to wade through those to prove your assertions? Sorry, it
doesn't work that way.