cleared, then busted

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...
the entire British
healthcare system is still much less expensive than the collection of US
systems (so why am I still living here?)


Because you can fly for 1/3 of what it would cost in the UK?

Ah, yes, thank you for reminding me.

"John T" wrote in message
ws.com...

Part of that "economy at large" he was talking about. Gotta pay for those
massive gubment programs somehow...


That largely explains why "the entire British healthcare system is still
much less expensive than the collection of US systems". It's not that it's
actually less expensive, it's that somebody else is paying for most of it.

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"John T" wrote in message
ews.com...
Part of that "economy at large" he was talking about. Gotta pay for those
massive gubment programs somehow...


That largely explains why "the entire British healthcare system is still
much less expensive than the collection of US systems". It's not that it's
actually less expensive, it's that somebody else is paying for most of it.

Economists who can count all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends
considerably less per person on health care than the US. And unlike the
US, they don't leave out 1/4 of the population while doing it.


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A good landing is one you walk away from. A *great* landing is one after
which you can use the plane another time.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Economists who can count all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends
considerably less per person on health care than the US. And unlike the
US, they don't leave out 1/4 of the population while doing it.


Canadian hospitals have less modern equipment available than American
hospitals do. They depend on American medicines after destroying incentives
to develop their own with price controls. They buy American medicines in
bulk covering only the manufacturing costs, while American hospitals have to
cover development costs as well. In short, American health care is better
than Canadian health care.

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
Economists who can count all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends
considerably less per person on health care than the US. And unlike the
US, they don't leave out 1/4 of the population while doing it.
Canadian hospitals have less modern equipment available than American
hospitals do. They depend on American medicines after destroying incentives
to develop their own with price controls. They buy American medicines in
bulk covering only the manufacturing costs, while American hospitals have to
cover development costs as well. In short, American health care is better
than Canadian health care.

You have proof for any of those assertions, or did you just pull the whole
thing out of your ass? And since when does paying less for the same drugs
equate to having worse health care? It sounds better to me. Sounds
better to those busloads of Amercians coming across the border to buy
them, too.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Real Time, adj.:
Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there
and then.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...

You have proof for any of those assertions, or did you just pull the whole
thing out of your ass?


Sure, just as you have proof for your claim that economists who can count
all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends considerably less per person
on health care than the US, and unlike the US, they don't leave out 1/4 of
the population while doing it.



And since when does paying less for the same drugs
equate to having worse health care? It sounds better to me. Sounds
better to those busloads of Amercians coming across the border to buy
them, too.


It sounds better in the short term. In the long term if nobody pays the
development costs of new drugs there'll be no new drugs.

Philip Sondericker opined

in article , Wdtabor at
wrote on 11/17/03 4:27 PM:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Zdaub.28610$Dw6.140203@attbi_s02...
Unbelievable.

What a screwed up mess.
--
Now you're catching on!


ANd some people want the government to run your health care.

Think about that.

This person has private health insurance companies run his health care, and
is currently overwhelmed by mountains of paperwork, staggering cost (which
rises by the month), the densest bureaucracy I've ever seen, and managerial
incompetence on an epic scale. I've never been one to say that the
government should run everything, but I'm genuinely wondering how they could
do any worse.

You might ask a veteran about government health care. Was the time to
treatment from the VA in a recent report 45 days, or 45 months? I can't
remember at the moment.

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Paul Tomblin opined

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
Economists who can count all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends
considerably less per person on health care than the US. And unlike the
US, they don't leave out 1/4 of the population while doing it.
Canadian hospitals have less modern equipment available than American
hospitals do. They depend on American medicines after destroying incentives
to develop their own with price controls. They buy American medicines in
bulk covering only the manufacturing costs, while American hospitals have to
cover development costs as well. In short, American health care is better
than Canadian health care.

You have proof for any of those assertions, or did you just pull the whole
thing out of your ass? And since when does paying less for the same drugs
equate to having worse health care? It sounds better to me. Sounds
better to those busloads of Amercians coming across the border to buy
them, too.

Of course there are the bus loads of Canadisans coming south for treatment
that they can't get in Canada...

Steve's main point is that a) Canadians have much less access to things like
CAT scans and b) are heavily subsidized by the US with regards to drugs. If
Canadians had to pay for drug R&D Canadian costs would be much higher.

The Fraser Institute suggests that some capital and training costs are not
included in Canadian health care costs. It is hard to tell if we are really
comparing apples to apples.


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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
Economists who can count all the inputs say that in total, Canada spends
considerably less per person on health care than the US. And unlike the
US, they don't leave out 1/4 of the population while doing it.
Canadian hospitals have less modern equipment available than American
hospitals do. They depend on American medicines after destroying incentives
to develop their own with price controls. They buy American medicines in
bulk covering only the manufacturing costs, while American hospitals have to
cover development costs as well. In short, American health care is better
than Canadian health care.

You have proof for any of those assertions, or did you just pull the whole
thing out of your ass? And since when does paying less for the same drugs
equate to having worse health care? It sounds better to me. Sounds
better to those busloads of Amercians coming across the border to buy
them, too.

Busloads of Americans coming to the border to save some bucks on drugs sound a lot
better than the busloads of Canadians going South to get timely badly needed medical
care, due to long waiting lines at government run hospitals back home. [Wall Street
Journal 7/23/02 "Socialized medicine is a real headache."]

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
| I did not vote for Bush, I would rather have a president in bed with his
| intern then in bed with Big Business and screwing over the little people.
|

Why is this the choice? Have we become so polarized politically that we will
put up with any amount of corruption from anyone who claims to represent our
own point of view?

Maybe our first choice should be people of impeccable behavior, regardless
of their political leanings.